Quote# 84967

They laugh at the fact that the Bible claims that people before the flood lived to be hundreds of years old. They also laugh at the idea that there was enough water to flood the whole earth and that it then receded somewhere.

I said these are kind of related, and I believe that they are. First let me quote from Genesis:

Genesis 1:6-7 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." [7] So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so.

So we see from this that God separated the water under the expanse (sky) from the water above the expanse (sky). Now think about what water above the sky would be like. Well it would most likely be very high in the atmosphere at the edge of space, which we know is very cold. So the water would have been an ice layer above the breathable atmosphere.

What would an ice layer like that do? It would filter out solar radiation for one. We know today that solar radiation has a lot to do with cancer and aging, both in animals and humans. So if this ice layer were to filter out some or all of this radiation, what would you expect to happen to those people and animals that lived under this filter? They would have less disease and live longer!

Secondly, an ice layer would cause a greenhouse effect on the earth, making the temperatures more moderate throughout the world. Could this explain the frozen animals in the Arctic that have been found with green vegetation in their stomachs?

Thirdly, it would put pressure on the atmosphere. What you would have is a natural barometric chamber covering the whole earth. Again, what would you expect that to do to the people and animals on the earth? All you have to do is look at what modern medicine and science use barometric chambers for today to find out the answer. If a person has a limb amputated and then reattached they are often placed in a barometric chamber and given high concentrations of oxygen to help the healing process. Now, remember the greenhouse effect the ice layer would have produced, meaning that there would have been more oxygen-producing plants on the earth. So the end result would be healthier and longer living humans.

Ralph, Behind The Badge 66 Comments [11/27/2011 5:44:56 AM]
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Quit trying to talk science, Ralphie. You'll shoot your eye out.

11/28/2011 6:05:58 AM


Now you have a hypothesis. You are free to test it to prove your point. Otherwise its pure speculation and you should STFU!

11/28/2011 9:06:50 AM


This is regurgitated Kent hovind bullshit. Aging is encoded in our DNA, removing solar radiation would only help a little bit.
As for the amount of pressure needed to sustain an ice layer large enough to filter solar radiation? the earth wouldn't be a barometric chamber, it would be a pressurized boiler

11/28/2011 9:41:28 AM


The most likely explanation for the 900 plus years lived by some characters as noted in the Bible is due to the ancient Hebrews counting the passage of time on a lunar cycle during that point of time in their history. There are about 13 lunar cycles for every one solar cycle. A person living 70 solar cycles would live the equivalent of 910 lunar cycles.

This guy and others are wasting their time trying to prove otherwise.

The ancient Hebrews likely used the lunar cycle for generations, then somewhere along the way the Hebrews switched over to a solar cycle. When they did this, they didn't change the word used to describe this passage of time, nor did they convert the lunar cycle counts to solar cycle counts. Then after several generations using the new solar cycle to count the passage of time, the knowledge of the old lunar cycle counts was forgotten. Later generations of Hebrews looked at those lunar cycle counts and thought them to be solar cycle counts. And now modern Christians and Jews try to prove that people did indeed live 900 plus years.

If it is indeed true that the ancient Hebrews used a lunar cycle to count the passage of time, then those men who lived 900+ years per the Old Testament really only lived 70+ years. As for Abraham and Sarah, they weren't really both 100+ years old when Isaac was conceived. In reality, Sarah was probably about 10 and Abraham was about 11.

So to spend time trying to prove that ancient folks lived for a thousand years is a waste of time and resources. Religious folks of all stripes could save themselves a lot of time and embarrassment if they would take a more critical view of the claims made by ancients.

Remember to seek the truth and it will set you free.

11/28/2011 9:47:00 AM


"Now think about what water above the sky would be like. Well it would most likely be very high in the atmosphere at the edge of space, which we know is very cold. So the water would have been an ice layer above the breathable atmosphere."

You've been watching the anime series "Stratos 4":


And have thought it was a documentary. True, whilst it's essentially a combination of "Armageddon", with elements of "The Right Stuff" and "The X-Files" thrown in, it does have some scientific credibility to the scenario. Orbital-based (and all-[/i]female[/i]) crews of 'Comet Blasters' use large nuclear warheads in detachable sections of 'Lifting Body'-type craft to shatter incoming comets that threaten Earth; the resulting 'ice shards' are further intercepted by Earth-based squadrons of 'Meteor Sweepers' (in the case of this series, all-female) piloted TSR-2s (and later also MiG-31s) with ultra-high explosive 'Trident' missiles to destroy these larger shards into fragments that harmlessly burn up in the atmosphere.

So not taking into account how the USSR annihilated the Bible's model of the universe in 1957 with Sputnik 1, "Stratos 4" further fucks up your theory. But hey, one fiction's just as good as another, amirite?!

But at least TSR-2s exist.

11/28/2011 9:56:49 AM


Higher amounts of oxygen in the atmosphere will not correlate to longer life expectancies, especially to the ridiculous extremes you espouse. Antarctic core samples can give us an idea of what the atmosphere was like up to 10,000 years ago and we have never encountered oxygen levels to be as high as you claim (of course you've never given us a number so that doesn't help). There's also the fact that with cars, factories, and other pollutants, we probably have more CO2 then oxygen in the atmosphere then any other time in human history. And yet people are living longer today than any other time in history as well.

11/28/2011 10:04:14 AM

There would be no light. It would not have been good.

There goes that Bible quote out the window.

Also, fucking chilly with atmospheric pressure to crush our bones to gelatin.

11/28/2011 10:19:28 AM

Mr Blur

"First let me quote from Genesis:"

You lost me right there, you idiot.

11/28/2011 11:24:43 AM


"They laugh..."

Well, you got that much right anyway. The rest is scientifically impossible bullshit, which of course is exactly why "they" (i.e., we) laugh.

Sometimes, though, it makes us want to cry. Really, in the 21st century you can find people old enough to type who still believe this crap?

11/29/2011 1:34:45 AM

capello moderno

This is really tremendous stuff..

There's just one thing that's bugging me: even if we accept Ralph's ridiculous explanation of what the genesis quote means in physical terms, and why that it would be a good thing (which is surely wouldn't have been for anything living on the planet), Ralph fails to relate it in any way to his supposition regarding the flood: "there was enough water to flood the whole earth and that it then receded somewhere."

Well, what is it, Ralph?
How is stuff god did during genesis related to where the water went after the flood?
Did he separate the waters again, to make another ice-canopy for earth?
If so, why a. does it not say so in the bible, you use as your authority?,
and b. do we not live to be 900 years today (as per your ridiculous ice-canopies make for old age-theory)?

11/29/2011 6:20:07 AM


More Ass Science.

11/29/2011 9:46:22 AM


Wow. I'm being reluctantly impressed with how stupid that reasoning is ...
I suck at physics but even I recognize that as completely not possible.

11/30/2011 2:38:58 PM

Greenhouse effect as well as high oxygen atmosphere.

11/30/2011 4:40:10 PM

Try to do real science instead of reading sci fic.

12/3/2011 10:55:23 AM


...The bible says that God opens a hole in the sky to make it rain and covers it with clouds.

Care to warp the passage to explain that?

8/8/2013 1:53:01 PM


No, the end result would be a dead world.

Any ice layer thick enough to block all radiation from space will also block all light from space. Because light is--you guessed it--radiation. The surface of the earth would be as dark as the deepest ocean trench. And if that ice layer were thick enough to supply enough water to cover every last bit of land on Earth, it would be many hundreds of miles thick.

And as you've correctly surmised, an ice layer that massive floating on top of the atmosphere would definitely compress it--in fact, it would compress it until the gases in the air liquified. The result wouldn't be an oxygen-rich hyperbaric environment, it would be a high-pressure ocean of cryogenic liquified gas beneath miles of water-ice where literally nothing whatsoever like life as we know it could possibly live.

A far better question you should ask yourself is--if there was enough water to flood the entire planet, and cover every last mountain, where is it now? Where did all the water go?

8/8/2013 9:35:23 PM

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