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Museums devoted to displaying the Darwin story have carefully, and deliberately painted a false picture of the fossil record. I wonder how many people are aware of the deceptions involved in this supposedly educational enterprise.

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1. "Paleontologists have found 432 mammal species in the dinosaur layers….But where are these fossils? We visited 60 museums but did not see a single complete mammal skeleton from the dinosaur layers displayed at any of these museums.'' [1.]

- Here is plain proof that evolutionists are deliberately falsifying the fossil record so as to create a delusory myth in the minds of the public. How can anyone trust the people who do this kind of thing? Why would anyone expect people like this to be honest when talking about the origins debate? They clearly have no interest in the truth, but care only about propagating a myth.

- Here is clear evidence that refutes the great Darwinian myth, as these collections just should not happen according to textbook theory. Anyone who accepts cosmic evolution in the light of these findings does so despite the evidence not because of the evidence.

Many (most?) natural history museums have more to do with the muses than with science, and are shrines to materialism and cosmic evolution.

2. 'Werner also learned that dinosaur-containing rock layers have "fossilized examples from every major invertebrate animal phylum living today," and that dinosaurs were mixed in with varieties of fish, amphibians, "parrots, owls, penguins, ducks, loons, albatross, cormorants, sandpipers, avocets, etc." [1.]

- The Darwinian myth has been carefully manufactured, and bears little relationship to reality. The museums are temples devoted to cosmic evolution, as the scenarios they paint (and present) are fictional... and are very little different than Disneyland. One day they'll be seen as the amusement parks they really are.

This is a prime example of what's known as the engineering (or manufacturing) of consent. The success of Darwinism is almost entirely due to the false (iconic) pictures and images evolutionists have invented and painted for the public mind. Without the (false) images the words would mean nothing.

3. “Few are aware of the great number of mammal species found with dinosaurs. Paleontologists have found 432 mammal species in the dinosaur layers; almost as many as the number of dinosaur species. These include nearly 100 complete mammal skeletons." [4.]

- Fossils are the sacred relics of Evolution, the sacred stones of naturalist religion, and the natural history museum is the modern Pantheon, where the inner sanctum always seems to feature that lumbering saint of Darwinism, the dinosaur.

These Darwinian displays are a good example of the Potemkin village, as they're utterly fake and bear little resemblance to reality. The fact you display a bone is meaningless in itself, as it's the context that makes all the difference. In most cases it's not the bones that are displayed that is important, it's the bones that are not displayed which is crucial. These displays could be compared to the sets Hollywood used to make and use, and they have as little educational value.

Summary;
Museum directors see themselves as guardians of cosmic evolution and as members of an elite who is going to cure the common folk of their delusions, since they're too incompetent to do it on their own. (Curators of museums now see themselves as curators of the soul.)

- M. Johnson

M. Johnson , Thinking About Creation 42 Comments [12/4/2011 1:07:39 PM]
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Brendan Rizzo

You, sir, are a idiot. The fact that there were prehistoric mammals at the time of the dinosaurs is not being "hidden". The fact that at least one such mammal, Repenomamus, was actually cool instead of a small, timid insectivore made headlines a few years ago. However, this was a recent discovery, before which there were no really interesting Mesozoic mammal fossils, so most museums have not had enough time to update their displays yet. Mammals are a huge and diverse group. The mammal species that lived at the time of the dinosaurs are not the same as the mammals that are alive today.

12/4/2011 1:28:32 PM

Bollox

You fail palaeontology forever. Tell me how finding fish or amphibian fossils of the same time period as dinosauria disproves evolution, again.

A Google search for 'cretaceous mammal' yielded 'About 425,000 results'. Yeah, it's a big secret.

12/4/2011 1:32:29 PM

checkmate

M. Johnson in short:

"I don't give a shit how much proof there is, I don't want to believe in evolution, ever, no matter what. I have the Bible. Case closed."

Have a nice life, M. Die stupid.

12/4/2011 1:37:35 PM

Giardano Bruno

In the Catholic church we call this fucking lies

12/4/2011 1:59:16 PM

JohnTheAtheist

There is no debate about origins except in your mind.

12/4/2011 2:14:45 PM

Murdin

The first untruth is in the first word of the blog's name. This is quite a feat, actually.

12/4/2011 2:19:49 PM

John

The American Museum of Natural History in New York has a whole hall full of early mammals and their pre-mammal ancestors going back 300 million years. The Smithsonian has a Triassic morganucodon on plain display. What museum did Johnson go to? The Chicago Baseball Museum?

All this is beside the point, since nothing the the ToE says mammals and dinosaurs didn't coexist. In fact, nothing the the ToE even says dinosaurs have to be extinct today.

Another fool who thinks evolution is a ladder, where one species turns into another.

12/4/2011 2:22:11 PM



What the hell are you smoking? It's common knowledge that mammals lived alongside dinosaurs, but dinosaurs were by far dominate. Then the KT Event presented a situation that mammals were better able to adapt to, allowing them to not only survive, but thrive in its wake. I can not even begin to count the number of times I've heard/read about this in my life. In fact, I distinctly remember learning about this around the age of 4 or 5.

On top of that, I've never met a single person who didn't know this. It's the first thing schools go into when explaining the evolution of mammals. So for you to act like this is some kind of hidden secret that you need to reveal to people is bizarre.

If this is all about museums, I hate to break it to you, but museums (while great places that can be very educational) set up their displays (in part) based on public interest and most people want to see big terrifying dinosaurs, huge hulking mammals, large scary aquatic life, etc. That's not to say that such displays don't exist, (they do) they just tend to not be as heavily featured (btw, I love how you didn't say that you never saw a mammal fossil from that time, just that you never saw a "complete" one). Regardless, they will no doubt get more attention as more interesting mammals are discovered from that time (like the one who was found to have eaten dinosaurs and got quite a bit of news coverage not too long ago).

12/4/2011 2:24:15 PM

checkmate

From the blog:

About Me

M. Johnson
Philosopher and fisherman. (Maybe fisherman and philosopher is more like it.)


Ok, so much for your scientific credentials. That explains a thing or two.

A further gem left out by the above quote:

Evolutionists treat the fossil record like a Rosetta stone when they have no right to. i.e. they have no outside (objective) source to use to interpret the data. If the bible is what it claims to be then the Biblical creationist has the 'Rosetta stone' needed.

That's one whopping "if" you got yourself there Mr. Fisherman.

How about: If the bible is not what it claims to be, then Biblical creationism a big pile of shit.?

12/4/2011 3:08:10 PM

Meishayuri

This guy's a real intellectual genius. I am so sure that he doesn't know what a fossil really looks like because he's blinded by the love of Jebus.

12/4/2011 3:55:03 PM

Drummer

The thing that is truly amazing is that there are people who still think like this in 2011.

12/4/2011 4:02:03 PM

moose

I love the term "Darwinist". Would that mean somebody who believes in gravity is a "Newtonist"? I guess the Amish dont have to worry about being called "Franklinist" as they dont believe in electricity. Well....they actually believe in it, just dont use it. So maybe they are "Franklinist".

It is utterly amazing what convoluted contorted arguments they use to attempt to hold onto the "proof" in the wholly babble that the world is only 6000 years old. All the anti evolution nonsense is over their claim of a young earth.

12/4/2011 4:48:47 PM

J. James

This entire huge rant can be disassembled by the very basic knowledge that mammals had ancestors that lived long ago. What, did this person assume that mammals only arose AFTER the dinosaurs went extinct?

I think that the Monotremes would like to have a word with you.

12/4/2011 4:49:10 PM



They are not hiding it very well. A simple google search for "dinosaur and mammal" pulled up about 1,640,000 results. On the fisrt page was about(dot)com and newscientist with articles on mammals that existed with dinosaurs and mammals that ATE dinosaurs.

Repenomamus giganticus and Repenomamus robustus.

I am going to give them credit for having a fossil of each mammal described.

Perhaps a book or something would help ?

The American Museum of Natural History has fossils but they may not be on permanent display.

12/4/2011 5:06:06 PM

Skatepunk

Somewhere, a palaeontologist is crying.

12/4/2011 5:25:50 PM

Old Viking

That's the tallest pile I've seen in quite some time.

12/4/2011 5:42:26 PM



The name of your site is misleading. It should be called, "Outlandish Conspiracy Theories About Creationism." You think every science museum in the world is *conspiring* to hide creationism? Your tinfoil hat's on too tight.

12/4/2011 7:05:32 PM

Berny

In short, you're a lying-sack-of-shit.
There is plenty of evidence of early mammals, you just plug your ears, close your eyes tightly shut, and shout "La-la-la, I can't hear you" whenever anyone points it out.

12/4/2011 7:52:47 PM

Sasha

Instead of thinking about creation, you might try learning about evolution.

12/4/2011 8:09:00 PM

Osiris

1. Right mammals coexisted with dinosaurs ever since the Triassic. If you understood the evolution of synapsids and archosaurs during the Permian era this would not be a surprise at all.

2. This claim is part true and part bullshit. Dinosaurs did live with animals that haven't changed much in millions of years. Big deal. Organisms evolve to fit into their specific niches. If they form they have is best for their niche, then they aren't going to evolve unless that niche is destroyed or radically changes. The bullshit comes from the claim about dinosaurs living with modern birds. The birds dinosaurs coexisted with where very primitive and some were almost indistinguishable from dinosaurs.

3. Exact same point. Mammals were alive during the age of the dinosaurs. They were mostly small, mouse like animals. This is not that surprising to paleontologists at all and doesn't contradict evolution in the slightest. Mammals evolved from mammal-like reptiles, called the synapsids, during the Permian and Triassic eras.

12/4/2011 8:27:56 PM

Doubting Thomas

1. "Paleontologists have found 432 mammal species in the dinosaur layers….But where are these fossils? We visited 60 museums but did not see a single complete mammal skeleton from the dinosaur layers displayed at any of these museums.''

I was disappointed as a child when I made my first visit to a museum and they didn't have any dinosaur skeletons, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. There just aren't enough complete dinosaur skeletons to put them in every museum around the world.

The museums are temples devoted to cosmic evolution, as the scenarios they paint (and present) are fictional... and are very little different than Disneyland.

As opposed to the Creation Museum, which is literally a temple (all employees must be Christian) to biblical creationism, and the scenarios they paint, such as humans & dinosaurs living together, are totally fictional. If you want Disneyland, just wait until the Noah's Ark theme park opens up.

Paleontologists have found 432 mammal species in the dinosaur layers; almost as many as the number of dinosaur species.

There were mammals at the time of dinosaurs, they were not the same mammals which exist today. And there definitely weren't any humans then.

Museum directors see themselves as guardians of cosmic evolution and as members of an elite who is going to cure the common folk of their delusions, since they're too incompetent to do it on their own. (Curators of museums now see themselves as curators of the soul.)

Don't get me started about Ken Ham and the Creation Museum. He thinks this is real:


12/4/2011 8:43:47 PM



Is he really claiming modern parrots, owls, penguins and ducks ? I suspect that would prove time travel.

12/4/2011 9:26:48 PM

Gib

What? Mammals and Dinosaurs lived at the same time? Well, then that proves Christianity. Afterall, Jesus was a mammal (100% mammal, 100% God). Hence Jesus rode a dinosaur.

QED

12/4/2011 10:17:37 PM

C_V


WTF is "Cosmic Evolution"??


12/5/2011 2:16:09 AM

Lpopman

I'm surprised that nobody spotted this little gem:-

"Many (most?) natural history museums have more to do with the muses than with science"

Semantic word play to denigrate science. Buried in amongst a wall of text. It's not big, and it's not clever.

12/5/2011 3:23:39 AM
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