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The book of Revelation confirms we are headed toward a radical persecution of believers, as the kingdom of antichrist will kill innumerable amounts of people who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Already, Christians are considered by many to be less than human and as the cause of the world’s woes. It is very likely that as it was in the days of Rome, where Christians were sacrificed as objects of entertainment in spectator sports, that modern day alternative sports, like the WWF, are warming up an aggressive hostility that will ultimately culminate in televised Christian persecutions. Network executives will do anything for high ratings, and to a depraved people devoid of the Spirit of God, pay-per-view death games would quickly catch on.

Jason Kovar, Good Fight Ministries 99 Comments [12/5/2011 3:38:11 AM]
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agrf

People who watch WWF are redneck fundies..and Persecution complex much?

12/5/2011 3:55:41 AM

Prager

"Christians are considered by many to be less than human and as the cause of the world’s woes."

Though I think the institution of religion has a lot to answer for and needs to be reigned in, neither I nor any atheist I have ever met or heard of has ever claimed that those who follow any religion are less than human. On the other hand, there is ample evidence that demonstrates that religious people see atheists as being intrinsically less. If anything, it is we non-believers who are persecuted and not the believers.

12/5/2011 3:58:18 AM

Pup

I think you mean it predicts. It's only confirmed when it actually happens...

12/5/2011 4:06:48 AM

Swede

Revelation confirms? What does it confirm from?
I thought it was rather alone in stating stupid stuff like that.

I'm "devoid of the Spirit of God", but killing and intentional harm in any form abhors me. I'm against the death penalty and wars, I'm almost a vegetarian and I don't like boxing.
But I hardly watch TV anyway.

12/5/2011 4:17:39 AM

LAchlan

The book of revelations is made up, like the rest of your out of date how to live your life manual.

12/5/2011 4:22:35 AM

MK

Look, if everything you believe is actually going to happen the way your Bible says, then why are you panicking about getting killed off? Why worry about bloodsport on TV? (And it'll be on Youtube, not TV - get with the 21st century already.)

Point is, you should be HOPING all this happens, not fretting about it.

12/5/2011 4:22:39 AM

freako104

Well since Christians aren't persecuted, I guess that kills your diatribe

12/5/2011 4:40:50 AM

Argle Bargle

Doom and gloom is coming, yadda, yadda, gimme money.

Fundie, but boring.

12/5/2011 4:41:42 AM

Pule Thamex

Jason Kovar does what Jason Kovar does best, lies and fantasy. Truly he is a man whose every word we should treat as though it were holy revelation. Therefore, with mocking laughter and much mirth I do assert that the god-man-ghost fantasy figure, the Father of Lies Himself, Bible God, is a lying fantasy-prone ectoplasmic blob much adored by lying fantasy-prone meat-muppets.

12/5/2011 4:49:19 AM

Percy Q. Shunn


12/5/2011 4:55:39 AM

checkmate

WWF?

The World Wildlife Fund?

I didn't know that was a sport. Are they going to feed Christians to bald eagles?

If they mean that silly scripted ballet for rednecks called "professional wrestling", who the fuck watches that? Demented apes?

The very fact that Jason Kovar calls "professional wrestling" a sport says a lot about his mentality. If he believes that's a real sport, I guess it's easy for him to believe in God too.

12/5/2011 5:38:57 AM

D Laurier

So christians want to watch other christians being persecuted on TV.

Also, At no point in history were christians ever "sacrificed as objects of entertainment"... and certainly not in "spectator sports".
And this goes for your "days of Rome" (whatever that is).
The only people who consider christians "less than human", are other christians.
It is far more likely that we will see muslims being forced to fight eachother in deathmatches on ESPN and Superchannel.

12/5/2011 6:10:32 AM

Big Jilm

WWE is not anti-Christian. I don't know that VKM and family are necessarily religious but it's no surprise they are extremely right-wing.

12/5/2011 6:18:41 AM

Mister Spak

"The book of Revelation confirms we are headed toward a radical persecution of believers"

It's already happening.

http://robtshepherd.tripod.com/biased.html

http://www.islamawareness.net/Persecution/

http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/christian-persecution-against-muslims/

http://www.islamictube.com/watch/2e30ea441d3caef5e64a/The-Persecution-of-Muslims-in-Europe


12/5/2011 6:36:40 AM

Brendan Rizzo

You have no sense of perspective, and that offends me. When was the last time that anyone was calling for the deaths of Christians? We have freedom of religion in all civilized countries, so what you speak of could never happen anyway. I am sure that the actual Christian martyrs who were actually put to death for their beliefs would be utterly appalled by you. They would kill to have lived in 21st century America where they would be free to speak their minds and where most of the population is Christian anyway.

12/5/2011 7:06:39 AM

RFP15

@agrf:

First, WWF is now the World Wildlife Fund, the wrestling organization has been WWE since 2002.

Second, maybe you should quit painting with such a wide brush. I watch WWE, and I am neither a redneck nor a fundie.

12/5/2011 7:09:56 AM

dionysus

Christians are 80% of the population in the US (and a high percentage in many other Western countries). If they want to get persecuted they're going to have to do it themselves because us atheists, Pagans, Buddhists, etc. just don't have the resources to do it.

12/5/2011 7:11:17 AM

Doubting Thomas

If Richard Dawkins ever gets into a cage match, but then there might be something to this. Otherwise, I think we're a long way away from killing Christians on TV. Besides, it's always the right-wing fundies who are the ones calling for public executions.

And finally, I've read the entire book of Revelation, and there's not one thing in there about Christians being persecuted just before the end times. There's plenty of bizarre stuff in there, and if Christians are likely to die during armageddon it's because of the horrors their kind, loving, all-good god is going to unleash upon the world.

12/5/2011 7:17:41 AM

Noneofyourbusiness

No, I believe that would never catch on. Please get your sense of the realistic checked.

12/5/2011 7:25:19 AM



1. Revelation is probably the worst piece of writing in the Bible, and it doesn't "confirm" anything except the use of hallucinogens by its writer.
2. I've never heard any atheist call Christians sub-human.
3. I used to watch the WWE, and I don't remember them doing anything anti-Christian or anti-religion (and if they had, it would have made big news in this country). And Vince McMahon is a Republican.
4. In some areas of this country you're 90% of the population. Who's going to be persecuting you guys?

12/5/2011 7:31:21 AM

Noneofyourbusiness

@ D Laurier

He's talking about feeding Christians to the lions in Ancient Rome, which did happen (along with many other forms of execution) though details may have been exaggerated.

From Wikipedia:

"As Porphyry's argument indicates, hatred of Christians also arose from the belief that proper 'piety' to the Roman gods helped to sustain the well-being of the cities and their people. Though much of the Roman religion was utilitarian, it was also heavily motivated by the pagan sense that bad things will happen if the gods are not respected and worshiped properly. 'Many pagans held that the neglect of the old gods who had made Rome strong was responsible for the disasters which were overtaking the Mediterranean world.'

This perspective would surface again in the 5th century, when the destruction of Rome caused many to worry that the gods were angry at the Empire's new allegiance to Christianity. Saint Augustine's opus The City of God argued against this view.

On a more social, practical level, Christians were distrusted in part because of the secret and misunderstood nature of their worship. Words like "love feast" and talk of "eating Christ's flesh" sounded suspicious to the pagans, and Christians were suspected of cannibalism, incest, orgies, and all sorts of immorality."

If Jason Kovar thinks he's living in a world where this can happen in America, he is delusional.

12/5/2011 7:39:41 AM

JSS

I know, it's just, with 75-80% of the American population identifying as Christian, you know they'll be targeted first and become only victims of sadistic slaughter.

12/5/2011 7:40:27 AM

Horsefeathers

"The book of Revelation confirms we are headed toward a radical persecution of believers, as the kingdom of antichrist will kill innumerable amounts of people who hold to the testimony of Jesus."

Revelations. Plural. With an "s". And it was, apparently, a coded message to Christians contemporary to the writer about the immanent fall of Rome and was not intended to be any sort of prophecy.

If you're going to go a' preachin' then you should at least have better knowledge of your chosen Holy Book than those you're preaching to.

"Already, Christians are considered by many to be less than human and as the cause of the world’s woes."

You think you've got it bad? Try being a Muslim.

"It is very likely that as it was in the days of Rome, where Christians were sacrificed as objects of entertainment in spectator sports, that modern day alternative sports, like the WWF, are warming up an aggressive hostility that will ultimately culminate in televised Christian persecutions."

I don't think the FCC would go for that one. I'm also sure that Pay-Per-View would certainly attempt it though.

"Network executives will do anything for high ratings, and to a depraved people devoid of the Spirit of God, pay-per-view death games would quickly catch on."

Obviously.

We have to have something to watch on TV while we're snacking on our boiled kittens and fried fetuses like all good heathens do during Prime Time TV.

12/5/2011 8:18:10 AM

Meishayuri

This seems to belong in the conspiracy theorist page, but now that I know the WWF is evil, it gives me another reason to watch something else.

12/5/2011 8:45:20 AM

emau99

That's a mighty big persecution complex you've got there, Jason.

But let's assume for a moment that the persecution you're talking about is real. What solution would you propose to protect Christians?

12/5/2011 8:46:17 AM
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