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In reality, the proof of God's existence is so abundant and obvious as to be undeniable by any rational person. The world in which we live clearly would not exist except for an omnipotent God.

The only reason why atheists believe that God does not exist is that they want to believe that. Their belief is not based on evidence that God does not exist, nor is it based on a lack of evidence that He does exist; their belief has no basis. It has only motivation. The atheist has psychological motivations for believing that God does not exist.

All of the reasons that atheists claim to have for their atheism are really just rationalizations. They had a desire to believe that God does not exist; when they finally found arguments that could allow them to deceive themselves into believing that he does not exist, they did so. The people became atheists after engaging in self-deception.

All of their arguments are really self-delusion.

Atheism is very common among homosexual men; this single fact proves that psychology, not evidence, is the cause of atheism. One can not rationally argue that homosexual men have more evidence that God does not exist. Thus, atheism must be the result of psychological motivation.

Of course, in addition to homosexuality, paranoia and fear of authority result in atheism.

God's existence is manifest and evident. The proof of God's existence is far too plentiful to be denied by any normal person. Therefore, only an individual who has an abnormal psychology can possibly be an atheist.

These are all established facts about psychology. No rational person ever disputes them.

The Beast of Revelation, Amazon.com forums 70 Comments [12/10/2011 6:08:37 AM]
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Celianna

I'm a girl (straight too) who never once believed in your deity, even though I went to a catholic school for the first 8 years of my life.

You do know all people are born atheists right? It's only through indoctrination that they become believers.

12/10/2011 6:26:36 AM



Don't tell me what I believe, creep.

12/10/2011 6:27:38 AM



- Say the evidence is plentiful
- Refuse to give evidence

Seems legit.

12/10/2011 6:39:16 AM

Huckster Sam

Obviously there is so much evidence that clearly he doesn't have to bother to show it or anything.

12/10/2011 6:53:38 AM

aaa

Please shower more forums with your rectal text. I am sure they would appreciate it.

12/10/2011 6:58:05 AM

Froberg

Religion is very common among heterosexual men; this single fact proves that psychology, not evidence, is the cause of religion. One can not rationally argue that heterosexual men have more evidence that God does exist. Thus, religion must be the result of psychological motivation.

Spot the fallacy! (Hint: It starts with an "S" and ends with a "ingle cause fallacy".)

12/10/2011 7:15:52 AM

OtakuX

@Celianna

No, they don't know that, because people like them usually claim everyone is BORN Christian/Muslim/Whatever that person happens to be, and BECOMES atheist/something else later in life. Which is rediculous.

And no, I'm not an atheist for an 'excuse'. I'm a heterosexual, I don't lie, cheat, steal or any of that crap. The only thing I do that Christians would consider a sin is being atheist. I'm an atheist because all alternatives seem completely rediculous to me.

12/10/2011 7:31:41 AM

Pule Thamex

Please! No! I beg you! Please don't show me the proof of God's existence. Please, no! I don't want to lose my mind and become a prating nincompoop. Have mercy I'm too young. We only live once, you know. I'm not ready for a life of gullible drooling, yet. Help!

12/10/2011 7:41:39 AM

Horsefeathers

"In reality, the proof of God's existence is so abundant and obvious as to be undeniable by any rational person. The world in which we live clearly would not exist except for an omnipotent God."

You obviously haven't looked very closely.

"The only reason why atheists believe that God does not exist is that they want to believe that."

No. It's mostly that whole "no evidence" thing that we get hung up on.

"The atheist has psychological motivations for believing that God does not exist."

Such as?

"All of their arguments are really self-delusion."

I'm sorry. I thought you were talking about atheists, not theists.

"Atheism is very common among homosexual men; this single fact proves that psychology, not evidence, is the cause of atheism."

No and no.

"God's existence is manifest and evident. The proof of God's existence is far too plentiful to be denied by any normal person."

And yet you've failed to actually provide any of this "proof" you claim exists. How unexpected. Or not.

"These are all established facts about psychology."

No, they aren't.

"No rational person ever disputes them."

Yes, they do.

12/10/2011 7:41:46 AM

The_L

You know what? I'm pretty sure the entire book of Revelation is about why people shouldn't listen to you, Beast.

Is that why you're so bitter?

12/10/2011 8:07:21 AM

Philbert McAdamia

These are all established facts about psychology. No rational person ever disputes them.

Don't believe me? Well, then you must be nuts, you commie pinko fascist homo.

12/10/2011 8:18:26 AM

Selkie

"The atheist has psychological motivations for believing that God does not exist."

Unlike fundies?

12/10/2011 8:24:37 AM

whatever

You cannot begin to imagine the size of the fuck I don't give.

12/10/2011 8:40:08 AM

Swede

Stupid idiot! I have just as much desire to believe that God does not exist, as you have desire to believe that Shiva does not exist.
All of your arguments against the existence of Shiva are really self-delusions.

Huh? Guess I'm a homosexual man then. Oh, well, at least I'm attracted to men...

So, where are these plentiful proofs of God's existence? You haven't shown any so far, nether has anyone else.

12/10/2011 8:53:33 AM

Alencon

You guys are missing the point.

To a fundie, their existence is evidence of their God's existence. They cannot, or will not, even entertain the idea that some god other than their favorite deity or purely natural processes can explain existence just as well.

When you get right down to it, religion is based upon our childhood fear of being abandoned by our parents. Everyone would like to remain a child taken care of by loving, competent parents. A belief in a god satisfies that desire.

12/10/2011 8:55:07 AM

checkmate

I've always been a fan of Socrates. He said the smartest thing, much better than anything Jesus ever said: "Oida ouden eidos" = "I know that I know nothing".

Does God exist? I don't know.

I don't believe he does, but I don't know.

One could say that since belief in the non-existence of God isn't a knowledge but a belief, that atheism is a faith. That however circumvents the description of what a faith entails.

Interpreting ones surroundings as proof of God's existence is every bit as delusional as stating as a fact that there is no God. We just don't know.

The more detailed a description of God becomes, the less likely it is. The whole Jesus excursion is the least likely of all.

I'm with Socrates.

12/10/2011 9:04:39 AM

Orion

" paranoia and fear of authority result in atheism."

Yes because the people who fear "Big government" and hoard guns in their basements are generally not Christians.

12/10/2011 9:08:25 AM

moose

No arrogance in those sweeping unsupported proclamations.....no?

I never bothered to figure out whether gay men have a higher incidence of atheism than hetero, but if that is indeed the case, I would suspect the reason to be more along that lines of not being accepted as human beings at churches that you probably go to. So, yes, you might be correct in that their reason would be more psychological. But that is not a feather in your cap. It very well may mean their psychological reasons are due to observing sociopaths like you in the church, and the desired to avoid delusional toxic people like yourself. It very well may be YOUR psychological deficit that causes YOU to be a christinsane. Perhaps the atheist are those who are psychologically sound.

"All of their arguments are really self-delusion."
You want self-delusion? That is my favourite. Do what geeZues told you to do. Sell everything you have and give it to the poor. Funny, I have yet to see a christinsane do just that....but have all sorts of "rationalizations" of why geeZeus really didnt mean that, or it doesnt apply, or it was allegorical, etc.

12/10/2011 9:14:52 AM

Berny

Fail on the first sentence. If the evidence is so abundant why to you people consistently fail to present it?
Additionally, I'm pretty sure, but can't back it up with anything more than my experience, that the proportion of gay atheists is the same as that of gay believers. I have known both.

12/10/2011 9:23:58 AM

Justanotheratheist

Go and look up what "atheism" means. Of course it is based on a belief that God does not exist - that's exactly what it means, by definition. There is no evidence for God other than what is found in the bible, which doesn't count.

Anybody can write any fucking rubbish and have it published, it doesn't ipso facto make one word of the content true. Have you at least heard of the word "fiction?"

I'm also awaiting any form of compelling evidence that there is a link between atheism and homosexuality. Most of the atheists I know are heterosexual - myself included.

If it's abnormal not to beliefve in preposterous fairy stories, so be it. Then I'm happy to be abornmal - but only by your hugely flawed definition of the word. I mean, really, look at the crap most fundies take to be the inviolate truth and then tell ne again who's cuckoo inside the head.

12/10/2011 9:25:57 AM

ChakatBlackstar

They always claim it's so obvious, yet they never explain themselves. Typical.

12/10/2011 9:54:34 AM



perhaps homosexual men got tired of being referred to as an ABOMINATION by christians ?

"God's existence is manifest and evident" for example ?

Thunder and lightning are evidence for THOR.
Mushroom rings are evidence for Fairies.










12/10/2011 9:57:36 AM

tehOldOne

yo dude, Cthulhu wants you to report to the rack. Just passing on a message ya know.

chill.


12/10/2011 10:01:47 AM

John

The proof of God's existence is far too plentiful to be denied by any normal person.

Sure. For example, since everything has a cause, there must be an uncaused first cause, and that must be God. Oh, wait, that would only mean there once was a god, or maybe a bunch of gods.

OK, but how can you explain the complexity of living things? If you found a watch, you'd know it must have been made by someone. Same with life - it must have been made by God. Shoot! That still would only mean there once was a god or a bunch of gods.

Alright, but where does morality come from? It must have been given to us by God. Still, I know you're going to say atheists have much lower crime rates and divorce rates than fundamentalists. But that doesn't prove God didn't give them their morals. Why he gave them more is just one of God's mysteries.

12/10/2011 10:02:50 AM

J. James

"The proof of God's existence is far too plentiful to be denied by any normal person."

Notice he also neglects to provide any of that proof whatsoever.

"God's existence is manifest and evident."

Still waiting on that proof there, bucko.

"In reality, the proof of God's existence is so abundant and obvious as to be undeniable by any rational person."

Oh, COME ON! Just ONE of those proofs, PLEASE?

Or are you just gonna have to admit that you're completely bluffing? I thought so.

12/10/2011 11:13:20 AM
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