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These verses [1 Corinthians 7] show clearly that there is an obligation to have sex, never a right to not have sex. This is where the old term, the “marriage debt” comes from. It is a debt owed by both parties to the other. And withholding of sex is defrauding the partner. This is not regarded by the Church traditionally as a small matter, or unimportant. Rather if a wife defrauds her husband by not submitting and giving him sex when he desires it, she has committed a mortal sin.

For those not familiar with the term, a mortal sin is a grave offense not only against the marriage partner, but against God Himself. And, without confessing the sin, doing penance, and agreeing that it will not happen again, the woman will lose her soul and be consigned to hell.

So, we see how serious the sex obligation is for both husband and wife. These are debts and obligations agreed to and taken upon each other by the vows of marriage. The idea of marital rape is asinine and ridiculous. It only shows how far we have gotten from a real conception of marriage.

The woman has not power over her body, but her husband. Where is the wiggle room for marital rape here? There is none whatsoever. The very development of this anti-Christian concept shows that we must remove the State from marriage and restore true marriage with its vows and obligations – otherwise there is no marriage at all, only a farce masquerading under the false name of “marriage” to deceive men into its clutches.

Peter, The Spearhead 94 Comments [12/10/2011 6:13:30 AM]
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More like "The Dickhead", amirite?

12/10/2011 6:34:24 AM

Darwin

Die in a fire you disgusting misogynistic asshole.

12/10/2011 6:49:39 AM

Pule Thamex

This proves that God doesn't exist and is purely the fantasy creation of male rapists. Or, if you think God does exist, then He is an arsehole.

In other words, weak males need to use a so-called authoritative-source book in order to bolster their claim that their predilection for rape is justified. Also in other words, arseholes invent Gods that are arseholes. No big surprise there.

Not sure what to do with your life? And you're an arsehole? Then become a religious leader. You know it makes sense.

12/10/2011 6:49:41 AM

D Laurier

And we can indeed use the bible to justify rape.
Thankyou for reminding me why the bible is one of the most obscene works of filth ever produced.

12/10/2011 7:21:58 AM

name

Funny, Peter forgot to mention it works the other way too. If a man isn't pleasing his wife they can get divorced under Jewish law. If a women belongs to her husband than her husband belongs to her.

12/10/2011 7:32:18 AM

LDM

If that's the way you feel, you don't need a wife, you need a blow up doll.

12/10/2011 7:37:14 AM

The_L

"Women don't have souls or thoughts or feelings--they're chattel! To consider them human beings is unChristian!"

Wow, Peter, what have YOU been smoking?

12/10/2011 8:04:18 AM

lisamariefan

Edit: This comment was totally meant to go with the spanking one. >.<

12/10/2011 8:13:09 AM



we must remove the State from marriage and restore true marriage with its vows and obligations

Go ahead, Peter. I wish you luck on your initiative.

BTW, don't be surprised when no woman wants to enter into the kind of "marriage" you're proposing.

12/10/2011 8:16:32 AM

Selkie

Methinks Peter ain't getting any with a shitty attitude like this. Regardless, blue balls =/= excuse for being a rape apologist.

12/10/2011 8:20:33 AM

Xotan

If there is a mutual debt, then one cancels out the other, so there is no debt on either side. That's the simple logic of what you say.

As to sin, don't judge.

To deny even the possiblity of marital rape is obscene and false. But then, perhaps this is a justification for something dear to your heart, Peter.

I like that the woman, not having power over her own body, has power over her husband. That's what you said. But I have little doubt it is not what you meant. Idiot! And the wiggle room for marital rape is in a court of law.

Also, you seem to have forgotten tht Paul would have husband and wife live as virgins - no sex for either! Essentially Paul is saying 'No Peter'.

12/10/2011 8:34:51 AM



Even if one were to be stupid enough to take the Bible literally, nowhere does it say that marital sex is to be on demand, rather than at a time mutually agreed upon by both partners, nor that failure to have sex with one's spouse is a "mortal sin" punishable by burning in hell.

Try being nice to your wife and asking politely for a change. Then maybe you won't have to make up excuses to justify holding her down and taking it by force.

12/10/2011 8:39:07 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

I can't wrap my mind around why an all-powerful god — supposed creator of the vast, vast universe that contains more stars than there are grains of sand on our entire planet — would give a damn about what mere humans do with their private parts. It would be like me fretting about the mating habits of the bacteria within an ant's gut.

Leads me to believe this barbaric way of "thinking" was invented by misogynistic christian arsewholes to control peoples' sexuality and thus control the population and, especially, to keep women in their place.

12/10/2011 8:39:33 AM

Swede

It goes both way, dearie; the husband defrauds his wife by not giving her satisfaction when she desires it.

"I say this as a concession, not as a command."
How do you get from that to "Obligation"?

"the husband’s body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife."
It doesn't say "have no power over his/her body", it just says they own their bodies together.

"Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent"
Once again; how do you get from this to "Obligation to have sex"?

I agree that there is no wiggle room for marital rape, but in a very different way. How can you force yourself on the person you have promised to love and honor, without breaking that promise?

12/10/2011 8:41:21 AM

hasher

Crawl off back to the bronze age.

12/10/2011 8:41:36 AM

whatever

This is why Alcatraz needs to be reopened, for sociopathic arseholes like today's two Spearhead posters, plus Khetlaser and fschmidt. Possibly also Pastor Ron E. Williams and that Stewart guy on Guam (who's first name I can never remember).

12/10/2011 8:45:35 AM

Alencon

Talk about a neanderthal attitude. How can you enjoy sex if your partner isn't as fully engaged as you are?

12/10/2011 8:45:43 AM

Cy

I came to check on fstdt straight from an argument where people were saying that no religions could possibly have a problem with asexuality because they all believed it was the ideal state of being. I think it gave me whiplash. Who do I sue?

I sincerely hope this asshole never gets married. Some people should come with safety warnings.

12/10/2011 9:11:55 AM

Justanotheratheist

That will work only if you marry your left hand.

12/10/2011 9:35:37 AM

Berny

I hope this motherfucker gets charged with spousal rape by his wife on of these days. Fuck the Bible. Civilized society does not condone sexual assault whether you are married or not, and a woman has absolute power over her own body. Learn to control your's, asshole.

12/10/2011 9:41:09 AM

Frank

"These verses [1 Corinthians 7] show clearly that there is an obligation to have sex, never a right to not have sex"

I've tried this line but all it gets me is arrested. I can't understand were I'm going wrong.

12/10/2011 9:45:59 AM

meh II

Yes ! woman are mere property , to cook and clean and have wild monkey sex on demand , and have kids for God.

If a wife refuses sex, take a strap and beat her bloody and then screw her anyway. Its YOUR right given by the Loving Kind God.

* pardon while I vomit *

12/10/2011 9:47:12 AM

farpadokly

Work out the implications of this one at your peril. It ends with women becoming the property and the sexual slaves of men, without any recourse against or protection from abuse. In short, it negates two hundred years of progress.

12/10/2011 10:09:41 AM

Jessica

The saddest thing that some wounded women are brought up from being little girls they are less than human, baby machines, sex toys for their brutal inhuman husbands. No matter how they feel, if they feel sick, no matter how uncomfortable it is, no matter how much of a brute he is, she should be a godly wife and submit. Even thinking for herself will condemn her to hell.
And the women of her church praise her and she smiles through her pain and dreads being alone with the man she is shackled to for life.
I have said before and I shall say it again, fundamentalists hate and fear women and want to keep them in their place. If you read the bible, you can almost hear the words of the grumpy old men who invented him in his pronouncements, grumpy old men who think women should be kept under, cheeky kids killed and poofs killed for being poofs.

12/10/2011 11:11:18 AM

freako104

You're a fucking misogynist and rape apologist.

12/10/2011 11:21:36 AM
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