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Most people who advocate gay marriage are decent people who simply want everyone treated equally. What they don't realize is that gay marriage is not about extending marriage, it's about destroying marriage.

Critics often point to high divorce rates to show that traditional marriage isn't succeeding. Though it's difficult to find consistent numbers in marriage studies, most agree that 40% of marriages will eventually end in divorce.

However, I fail to understand how pointing to bad behavior justifies more bad behavior. Parents do not want their children learning about the lifestyles of same sex couples. Nor do parents want sex education to include homosexuality. These are just the beginning of cultural changes that would take place if gay marriage is made acceptable.

Critics also point out that many states used to have laws against interracial marriages and that gay marriage is no different. However, even if someone is born with homosexual inclinations and desires, it remains a behavior that can be changed, unlike race.

And if two men or two women should have equal protection to marry, should one man and five women also have that equal protection? What about marrying minors? Or marrying a brother or a sister? What about multiple men marrying each other, or multiple women? Where would the equal protection stop?

The religious left will never accept heterosexual polygamy - it's far too politically incorrect. Once gay marriage becomes acceptable, the religious left will begin making the argument that minors should be allowed to marry whoever they want. NAMBLA and the ACLU have already begun working down this road and you can imagine how much this would destroy the status of marriage in our culture.


J.W. Autem, Politics For Folks 71 Comments [12/14/2011 4:59:18 AM]
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clockworkgirl21


12/14/2011 5:13:15 AM

snowjohnson

gay is not equal to pedophillia asshat

12/14/2011 5:22:48 AM

gravematter

How is anyone else's marriage destroyed by two men or women being afforded equal rights? You lunatics never give any evidence for this claim. And your pathetic "slippery slope" argument is overused and predictable. We are talking about consenting adults. Minors are not consenting adults. How exactly have NAMBLA and the ACLU "already begun working down this road"? Plus, a lot of parents DO "want their children learning about the lifestyles of same sex couples", and DO "want sex education to include homosexuality." But obviously you're only counting the views of stupid bible-thumping parents, not those normal, non-homophobic parents.

12/14/2011 5:33:45 AM

freako104

One man and 5 wives? Consenting adults. I see no issue. The otjers not so much. Plus slippery slope is bullshit anyway.

12/14/2011 5:43:51 AM

whatever

Why should anyone care about the "status of marriage"? If you want to get married, then your own marriage is the only one that should matter to you.

12/14/2011 6:00:14 AM

Brendan Rizzo

So you understand that it's a civil rights issue, but STILL view the gays as trying to destroy marriage? What would they gain from that, anyway?

I will say the following for the last time: Consenting adults, BITCH!

12/14/2011 6:14:07 AM

Mister Spak

"Most people who advocate gay marriage are decent people who simply want everyone treated equally. What they don't realize is that gay marriage is not about extending marriage, it's about destroying marriage."

Allowing more marriages destroys marriage?

"Critics also point out that many states used to have laws against interracial marriages and that gay marriage is no different. However, even if someone is born with homosexual inclinations and desires, it remains a behavior that can be changed, unlike race."


12/14/2011 6:42:12 AM

Xotan

"many states used to have laws against interracial marriages... However, even if someone is born with homosexual inclinations and desires, it remains a behavior that can be changed, unlike race."

--- NO, NO, NO. It cannot be changed. Personal life exoperience. I didn't ask, want or choose to be gay, and wanted to be straight. Not possible. There are reasons why it is not. Cure your ignorance. Check it out. Ignorance CAN be changed, unless willfull.


"And if two men or two women should have equal protection to marry, should one man and five women also have that equal protection?"

---It's biblical,Qur'anic too, no? Do it then. Even be a Muslim.


"What about marrying minors? Or marrying a brother or a sister?"

---Just plain stupidity. First case: the vital element of consent is missing. Second: there are genetic reasons for not doing so. Is this part of your problem?

"What about multiple men marrying each other, or multiple women? Where would the equal protection stop?"

---Pathetically ineffective non-argument.

"Once gay marriage becomes acceptable, the religious left will begin making the argument that minors should be allowed to marry whoever they want."

---It is accepted in many places outside the USA. So this is trogloditic, bullshite that your knuckles are dragging in - and you know it. A non-argument again!


"NAMBLA and the ACLU have already begun working ... and you can imagine how much this would destroy the status of marriage in our culture."

---Narrow horizons. The world is changing to the point where people like you will have nervous breakdowns if you try to leave your own milieu. Probably a good thing as you can then be sectioned.

I also notice the recurring stress on minors. Are you trying to hint something here about your personal situation?






12/14/2011 6:46:22 AM

OhJohnNo

Oh look, if it isn't our old friend, the Slippery Slope fallacy.

12/14/2011 6:51:35 AM

dionysus

Critics also point out that many states used to have laws against interracial marriages and that gay marriage is no different. However, even if someone is born with homosexual inclinations and desires, it remains a behavior that can be changed, unlike race.

1) No, it can't be changed any more than a straight person can decide to be gay.

2) Are you saying that if race could be changed you'd expect one member of an interracial couple to change?

And if two men or two women should have equal protection to marry, should one man and five women also have that equal protection?

Yes. Consenting adults.

What about marrying minors?

No. They're not consenting adults.

Or marrying a brother or a sister?

I'm iffy on this one. They're consenting adults but if they try to reproduce that could have disastrous effects on the offspring. And create more Republican voters and nobody wants that.

What about multiple men marrying each other, or multiple women?

Consenting adults.

Where would the equal protection stop?

Consenting adults.

The religious left will never accept heterosexual polygamy - it's far too politically incorrect. Once gay marriage becomes acceptable, the religious left will begin making the argument that minors should be allowed to marry whoever they want.

You have a screw loose if you think pedophilia is more acceptable than polygamy.

12/14/2011 6:51:36 AM

TGRwulf

He started off on a good foot with the first sentence, but then the whole thing just instantly went south.

12/14/2011 7:05:07 AM

Rape Rodent

Dear J.W. Autem,

Your parents dropped you as a child, didn't they?

They must have for you to be so fucking retarded. How does giving everyone the right to marry who they want destroy marriage exactly? Just because people are fucking retarded and get married young when they THINK they are in love doesn't mean that we are moving toward homosexual society. We just are giving people who deserve the same rights as you the right to marry who they want.

Troll moar,
Rape Rodent

12/14/2011 7:12:05 AM

Rape Rodent

Also, since when is homosexuality the same as incest? Incest causes deformities, homosexuality causes nothing but people having buttsex. Polygamy is fine, be it that all adults are consenting, although it can lead to the faster spread of STDs. You are just a fucking retarded theist.

12/14/2011 7:13:34 AM

Balthazar The Wise

Gays aren't destroying marriage. Married people are destroying their marriages just fine on their own.

12/14/2011 7:24:12 AM

Doubting Thomas

What they don't realize is that gay marriage is not about extending marriage, it's about destroying marriage.

You know, I hear this claim being made by conservative types all the time, but they have yet to show how two men or two women getting married to each other is going to destroy my marriage. If I get divorced, it's going to be because of problems between my wife and I, not because the gay couple down the street got a piece of paper making their domestic partnership legal.

And if two men or two women should have equal protection to marry, should one man and five women also have that equal protection? What about marrying minors? Or marrying a brother or a sister? What about multiple men marrying each other, or multiple women?

Where are the droves of people demanding the right to marry their sister (besides Arkansas, of course)? And while I'm not a fan of polygamy, if the people involved are happy with that arrangement, I really don't care too much. Your slippery slope argument just doesn't hold much water.

The simple fact is that gay people will continue to live together whether or not gay marriage is legal. Keeping a ban on legal gay marriage is not going to change that, and it's not going to destroy heterosexual marriage.

12/14/2011 7:24:41 AM

Raised by Horses

Everyone sing along.

12/14/2011 7:34:07 AM

breakerslion

Marriage is a legal contract. It always has been, right back to the time of haggling over the barter worth of a woman. Religion insinuates itself into the mix because religious institutions try to claim ownership of every life event in the human race. It's how they make money. No matter what your opinion regarding choice or nature, denying one group of adults the ability to make this contract creates inequality. You may teach your children your religious views, your prejudices, and your bigotry. You may not use the law as a bludgeon to enforce those beliefs. Those days are past and gone, or should be.

Your argument lacks reason by virtue of the Slippery Slope, Straw Man/Red Herring ("by choice" argument), and gross exaggeration.

Polygamy is frowned upon in modern society because:

1. It raises the potential instability of the relationship exponentially, not arithmetically, and as you pointed out, marriage is unstable nearly half the time as it is. That is the actual concern buried under all the religious mummery. Bible God and King David had no problem with the concept.

2. There are too many narcissistic whackadoodles in our society that would have a problem with polygamy, either by exclusion or through the breakup process. Some would ultimately try to solve that problem with violence.

The illogic of your child bride argument has been beaten down more often than the proverbial dead horse. Have you ever had an original thought by the way?

12/14/2011 7:50:23 AM

Bollox

What really annoys me about crap like this is the dickhead who posts it always seems to think nobody ever heard this shit before, and it's some kind of brand new killer argument that will shut the ebil gheys up forevah!!!

12/14/2011 7:50:30 AM



The "slippery slope" argument about polygamous marriages really doesn't work on me. I think its a great idea. Let people marry whomever they want, I say.

Within the bounds of being able to give informed consent, of course. What the hell is it about that concept that fundies are completely unable to grasp?

12/14/2011 7:55:48 AM

Noneofyourbusiness

How do they not grasp that the vital difference between gay marriage and those other things they list is that gay marriage is exactly like straight marriage except for the genders of the participants, and there's an amendment in the Constitution forbidding gender discrimination, therefore gay marriage is legal. Making child marriage or polygamy or incest legal would require changing the law; gay marriage is already supported by the Constitution.

12/14/2011 8:06:24 AM

rrpostal

If we pass a law saying you can drive 65 mph, what's to stop people from driving 200 mph while drinking and juggling hand grenades? One is obviously just a step on the way to the other.

12/14/2011 8:17:26 AM



"However, even if someone is born with homosexual inclinations and desires, it remains a behavior that can be changed, unlike race."

So you're saying that you could change your "behavior" to make yourself fall in love with and be attracted to people of your own sex, then?


Second, the whole polygamy thing is a false equivalent. It's not the same thing as a biological orientation.

And third, like all fundies, you're lying about the ACLU. They have never supported NAMBLA's or any other organization's/pedophile's crusade to promote adults having sex with minors.

12/14/2011 8:26:17 AM

Headache



12/14/2011 8:57:41 AM

ParabolaX

Polygamy between consenting adults is just fine. It's the marrying minors part that very few gay rights people support.

Just remember the words CONSENTING and ADULTS.

12/14/2011 9:05:27 AM

Axel

Simple answer: Get the government out of marriage contracts altogether. Allow people to buy kits to make similar arrangements; no different from filling out the forms for a marriage license.

That way, marriage is kept an entirely personal/religious thing. You don't have to recognize marriages you don't acknowledge, but you have to give them the same legal treatment just the same.

Otherwise, they're right; we will have to deal with the legal hooplah that is organizing polygamy without it becoming widely accessible to scam artists.

12/14/2011 9:18:18 AM
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