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And the No. 1 abuse of homosexual activism in the United States in 2011, was the implementation of the repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," allowing open homosexual behavior in our military. No one can yet know how damaging the repeal of the ban on sodomy will be – we can only guess – but there's no question that it will damage the character of our armed forces and undermine their effectiveness. Dare I say the obvious? We need non-effeminate men in the military. Does anyone really believe that a prancing drill sergeant won't detract from readiness? Where women are serving, they should be women of high character, not those who embrace homosexual conduct and publicly declare a "sin" identity. These folks have truly lost their way, their shame, their innate sense of God's touch on and design for their lives.

Friends, this list is a call to action. We need to first understand the decline into barbarism that homosexual and sex-change activism brings. Then, we need to each be that person who gets it, who understands that these folks with their radical ideology are purposely endangering families, children, our nation's security, our economy and the religious freedom of all who don't go along.

God has warned us in the pages of Scripture that these sinful impulses will end in catastrophe. It's not true that this is just another way to love, but these activists, as you can see, intend to overturn the beauty of traditional sexual morality.

Please join me in pledging to speak out against this destructive agenda wherever possible during 2012.

Linda Harvey, Right Wing Watch 106 Comments [12/29/2011 4:17:21 AM]
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derpmaster

It's the year 2011 and people are still invoking lame Liberace imagery to talk about gays in the military.

12/29/2011 9:41:54 AM

WWWWolf

> No one can yet know how damaging the repeal of the ban on sodomy will be – we can only guess – but there's no question that it will damage the character of our armed forces and undermine their effectiveness.

Yes, no one will know how damaging it will be.

However, we now know how damaging it has been so far.

A free hint: not very much.

Hell, the residents of the countries with no bans on homosexuality in armed forces have been telling you how things have worked out for them so far - to wit, the fucking sky isn't falling and everything is working just as it should.

> Does anyone really believe that a prancing drill sergeant won't detract from readiness?

That's not the question. The real question is this: Are there prancing drill sergeants, and if so, are they detracting from readiness? Secondly, doesn't military code of conduct and traditions already condemn this? No prancing in the military, be ye straight or gay, unless you're on a goddamn parade.

You asked this kind of questions before. People tried to tell you that these questions are loaded and preposterous. Now that they have been answered, you're still asking those same questions as if nothing had happened. This is what is in the industry called "old Fundamentalist debating trick #32984: asking loaded questions and ignoring the rational answers".

12/29/2011 9:42:23 AM



The idea that all homosexual men are effeminate "prancing" gays is absurd. Take a good look at the next gay pride parade , many of them are really built and if straight would have to beat women off with a stick. John Wayne was gay.

Conduct is self correcting. A gay guy who walks into the communal shower and grabs a dick at random may be carried out with something broken and facing a court marshal. Its been that way for over 50 years, deal with it.

12/29/2011 9:43:04 AM

Anon-e-moose

I think I may know who Troll/Poe/Nuts4Life really is, behind the mask of her screename, and with a shred of cojones (if she really dared to speak her mind):

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=70373&Page=1

But then, if she denies this quote is from her (Sara Ahlmark), then it just goes to conclusively prove that whilst not all Christians are right-wing Fundamentalists, all right-wing Fundamentalists are monomaniacs obsessed with teh ghey, nay, worse (considering the last two words of that quote)...!

12/29/2011 10:23:20 AM

Headache



12/29/2011 10:57:15 AM

breakerslion

@ His4aLie:

"Duh, Don't you worry,
Never fear,
Jesus Christ will soon be here.
He'll punish those that I do hate,
He'll bring me presents,
Just you wait!

Still waiting... Yup, ... still waiting....

12/29/2011 11:11:07 AM

freako104

I see far more barbarism in the history of Christianity than homosexuality. I am far less affected by the gay agenda and homosexual rights than by Christians who put me down for having Pagan beliefs, tattoos, etc. But if sinful ways end in catastrophe it is no wonder in Matthew you are to keep your faith private. Failing to have done so has been counterproductive to your faith

12/29/2011 11:17:12 AM

Vman

How many non-sequiturs can you pull out of your ass? :S

12/29/2011 11:49:55 AM

whoanelly

Gays have served in the military since time immemorial. They've been just as brave and effective as their straight comrades.

Your kind are always on the wrong side of history, Linda. You'll someday be remembered just as those who opposed racial integration in the military are now.

12/29/2011 12:22:54 PM

whoanelly

@ shykid: oh lord. Vile heifer. I just snorted orange juice all over my keyboard. I have a weird sense of humor.

@His4Life: lol it's you again. Run along before anon-e-moose pwns your trolling ass.

Edit: I see that's already happened. Never mind.

12/29/2011 12:26:51 PM

Paradoxical

@ His4Life: Just let me know when judgement day comes, my boyfriend and I will be happy to oblige ;D

12/29/2011 1:49:47 PM

Anon-e-moose

@whoanelly

Aw, shucks, I'm greatly humbled by your kind words; you make a happy man feel very old (shome mishtake, shurely?! X3 )

But then, notice how she's curiously conspicuous by her absence here, to say nothing of that thread I linked to (certainly of late). Or this specific thread:

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=68592&Page=1

Which is no less than a quote by her. And there's me thinking that fundies were supposed to have all the answers, least of all to the 'Truth', compared to we Atheists who don't have the 'Holy Spirit' in us.

Curious indeed. Particularly how her 'contributions' have suddenly screeched to a halt here:

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=85220&Page=4

Whassamatter, dearie? When the intellectual going gets a little too 'rough' for you - to the extent that your next replies to such could potentially destroy your 'beliefs' - you pussy out of such discussions? But then, that's you right-wing fundies all over: intellectually dishonest, to say nothing of being the cowards you really are. Because if you tried to answer our charges - certainly to our satisfaction - you'd start thinking for yourself (thus questioning the validity of your so-called 'beliefs', and therefore your 'faith'), and we can't be having that now, can we?! [/hyper-sarcasm]

Any excuse* to get out of not only acknowledging, nay, admitting that you - and your 'religion' - is wrong, but reduced to 'threats' when you can't get your own way (i.e. making us come to your way of thinking, thus 'Turn or Burn'; Buttsex with demons for eternity etc). But as you should know by now, 'threats' are used - as a last resort - by those who know they've lost the argument.

You know everything you say is wrong, false, lies. You just don't have the guts to openly admit that your religion is all lies from start to finish, and that your 'God' doesn't exist. But we know you're wrong. Remember: Facts fuck 'Faith'. Fact: God doesn't exist. Occam's Razor slits Pascal's Wager up a treat. Fundieism fails.

Deal with it.

Then she dares to come out with the sad & pathetic excuse - just to further get out of answering a faith-fucking question - that she 'can't understand what I say'. Oh well, she's merely admitting how stupid, ignorant & moronic she is. But hey, one doesn't to be Richard Dawkins to figure that one out, eh?!

But Dawkins has. Ergo, "The God Delusion". Q.E. and D., bitch. He (and we Atheists) is ultimately right. You - and your book of fairytales - are...:



...otherwise, you would answer - to the satisfaction of we Atheists - our questions. Without recourse to the Bible, neither ('Faith' should be sufficient, without backup from it's own basis, should it not?! After all, science is constantly questioned, and it's facts shine through. Mainly because asking questions is what makes scientific facts - based on evidence - what they are: impossible to contradict; 2 + 2 = 4, and all that jazz). It's you - and your 'religion's' - own fucking fault if it can't stand up to rigorous intellectual scrutiny. Just ask Michael Behe & the Dover Area School District, post-Kitzmiller vs. Dover.

As a result of religion's FAIL in 2005, the teaching of 'Intelligent Design' (a.k.a. Creationism by Stealth) in all accredited educational establishments in the US is now illegal and unconstitutional. Forced Atheism in America's classrooms. Good.

And due to John E. Jones' appointment to the Federal bench in 2002 by George Dumbya Bush, in turn voted in - twice - by the Religious Right, sad forced Atheism in your schools etc is all your fault, right-wing fundies. You are helping we Atheists in ways not even we Atheists could have imagined. And all down to your own stupidity, moronic ignorance, and lack of foresight, precisely because of the auto-lobotomy that being 'Born Again' and 'Faith' does to you. Dance, our puppets, dance. >:D

Further proof of the more than infinite FAIL that is fundie religion. Thanks for proving the more than infinite inferiority of it, and especially you and your ilk, dearie.

Atheism's star is in the ascendant. Where you and I live - Planet Reality - is secular, and becoming more so by the day. Your light is dying, fundies.

Welcome to our world.

*- Oh, and another excuse of hers: she claims that my destroying her arguments is what she calls 'Hating God'. Hmmmm...:



...now how can I 'hate' something that doesn't fucking exist eh, dearie? You tell me.

12/29/2011 2:17:44 PM

Papabear

Not all gay men are effeminate.

No one has ever shown that homosexuals are not the equals of heterosexuals in performing any jobs in the military.

No one is forcing you to have a homosexual relationship.

So, homosexuality is only bothering you because you have an over-excited interest in what other people do. Tend your own garden, Linda. Afterall, your omnipotent, omniscient God can take care of those other folks, right?

12/29/2011 3:04:25 PM

Old Viking

I never encountered a prancing drill sergeant, although there was one guy who occasionally would shift from foot to foot.

12/29/2011 3:09:35 PM

Darwin

Not all gays are effeminate, and those that are probably won't want to join anyway. And if they do, so what? It means that the barracks will look FABULOUS!

12/29/2011 5:38:25 PM

Anon

>>Nikolaos

I'd pay to see a gay Marine beat the shit out of one of these people with that specialised martial art they have. <<

MCMAP is about as un-specialized as a martial art can be - everything from punching and kicking to joint-locks, throws, grappling, knives, bayonets, rifles, and anything you can get your hands on.

I cannot condone that level of violence, unless the Marine concerned was acting in self defense, which probably doesn't apply if you're paying for it.


12/29/2011 5:39:04 PM

Karana

In short: 'I'm a bigot.'

12/29/2011 6:17:01 PM

Elia

Talking of stereotypes, guess who came out this week to friends and family? One of my brother's closest friends whom he's known since high school.

Did I mention he's a landscaper? A muscled, solidly built landscaper, who looks like he wouldn't be out of place on one of those shows about gun-making? No one, and I mean no one, would have guessed he was gay. Effeminate? Even with an electron microscope you'd be hard-pressed to find that trait in him!

12/29/2011 9:37:51 PM

Raised by Horses

"No one can yet know how damaging the repeal of the ban on sodomy will be – we can only guess.."

My guess is it won't change jack shit.

In fact, I'm willing to bet large sums of money on that. You game, Linda?

12/29/2011 11:30:01 PM

Swede

There have always been homosexuals in the army, the only thing changing is that they are now allowed to be open about themselves.
But no, homosexual behavior will not be allowed, anymore than heterosexual behavior is allowed, if by "behavior" you mean actual sexual acts.

Not all homosexual men are effeminate and not all lesbians are butch. The world is not as black and white as that, most things are multicolored, like the Pride flag, incidentally.

Nobody is overturning anything, stupid, there have been homosexuals longer than there have been humans, and we are doing just fine, partly thanks to them. My heterosexuality and my marriage are in no way threatened by other people having sex and getting married.

12/30/2011 3:28:49 AM

Martha Jones

Traditional sexual morality?

You mean turning off all the lights, locking the doors and doing it between a hole in a sheet for five seconds, right?

12/30/2011 2:34:40 PM

TheJebusFire

Then why don't you go in there place, Harvey?

12/30/2011 4:01:40 PM

Nowonmai

Just because a man is homosexual doesn't mean he's ready to try out for a Chorus Line. And just because a woman is homosexual doesn't mean she has no character. If anyone is lacking in character, it's you.

12/30/2011 5:19:35 PM

Reynardine

I'd like to see people who talk like this run up against a company of Spartan soldiers.

12/30/2011 6:07:12 PM

His4Life

Anonymoose, what is your point?

12/30/2011 7:00:01 PM
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