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[President Newt Gingrich intends to establish a "Religious Freedom Commission" to oppose separation of church and state.]

Every time America has strayed from the proposition that all men are created by God, and that they are therefore equal, great suffering and turmoil has ensued.

Likewise, every time government oversteps its bounds and exerts control over an individual’s right to freedom of religion and freedom of conscience, or otherwise attempts to usurp his ability to discover truth for himself, it must lie to do so.

A government that prohibits an individual from praying or reading the Bible or displaying religious symbols in public is telling the lie that our Founders intended only certain types of religious expression to be protected.

A government that systematically erodes the people’s ability to make laws based on moral or religious judgment is lying about American history, the rule of law, and the American practice of self-government.

A government that tries to eliminate the concept “under God” from our Pledge of Allegiance as well as our entire political philosophy is lying not only about America’s religious heritage but about the nature of human freedom itself[...]

Today, there are ongoing efforts to remove the constitutional protections of faith and the faithful from our system of government, and to eliminate any public acknowledgment that our liberties come from God. No one should be fooled into believing that this was the intention of our Founding Fathers, nor that doing so will yield anything but a corrupt, despotic government.

The choice before us is whether to accept such a society, or to reaffirm and reassert the truth within our families, our workplaces, and our communities that the cause of human freedom can only be realized in a society that protects, supports, and defends the fundamental rights of freedom of religion and freedom of conscience.

We believe that a presidential commission on religious freedom can play a crucial role in helping our nation’s leaders focus effectively on restoring our ‘noble inheritance’ of religious freedom, which was ‘bought by the toils, and sufferings’ of our ancestors and is simply indispensable to the fulfillment of America’s promise.

Newt Gingrich, Scribd 92 Comments [12/29/2011 4:22:23 AM]
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Scooby71

Citation needed for all of those claims.

12/29/2011 4:41:40 AM



When has the government ever attempted to do any of those things? I think you've confused this country with North Korea.

12/29/2011 4:54:33 AM

Percy Q. Shunn

Gingrich's political career is now circling the bowl, like that lone, stubborn turd that won't disappear.

12/29/2011 4:57:51 AM

genius13

President Newt Gingrich? I know I oversleep alot, but did I miss something?

12/29/2011 5:08:43 AM

Bollox

And a candidate that can only fight against strawmen isn't going to win.

12/29/2011 5:38:10 AM

checkmate

the people’s ability to make laws based on moral or religious judgment

Have I understood this correctly? Does this mean that if a community in the USA has a Muslim majority, that Newt Gingrich would support their right to establish Sharia law?

Will part of NY City now become Kosher per decree? Goofy hats and curls as a mandatory dress code?

Or do they just mean goofy Christian crap?

If they want prayer in school, I think erecting a minaret there and having a muezzin scream out "Allahu akbar" full blast through a loudspeaker five times a day would be pretty cool. Why do I think that's not what Newt Gingrich has in mind?

12/29/2011 5:47:10 AM

Mudak

@checkmate, don't forget ritual sacrifices...

It's like I've said before: to anyone who wants to pray, pray your ass off. I don't care. Just don't make me do it.

12/29/2011 5:56:03 AM

radda

Its funny cause for this guy, "freedom of religion" means "the government should heavily support my particular brand of faith above all others, if they dont we are being persecuted"


12/29/2011 5:58:34 AM

The Jamo

Pffft. Nobody is disallowing you to pray or read the bible. Go for your life. The only thing you're disallowed to do is to force other people to read it and force them to agree with its teachings.

Which part don't you understand?

12/29/2011 6:01:38 AM

Heathen

Good thing this douchebag has no chance of getting elected.

12/29/2011 6:04:55 AM

Ken

Praying and reading a religious text is not illegal. I'm an atheist and I have Bibles, yet I'm not in prison. The government and its public institutions just aren't allowed to sponsor or promote religions. Private businesses, schools, etc. can do whatever they want.

And just because something is part of our heritage doesn't mean we should still do it. Most Christians gleefully ignore the Old Testament when it's convenient.

12/29/2011 6:18:28 AM

Doubting Thomas

Likewise, every time government oversteps its bounds and exerts control over an individual’s right to freedom of religion and freedom of conscience, or otherwise attempts to usurp his ability to discover truth for himself, it must lie to do so.

You mean like the lies that the United States was founded as a Christian nation, all the founding fathers wanted a theocracy, and that Christians are being prohibited from practicing their religion?

A government that prohibits an individual from praying or reading the Bible or displaying religious symbols in public is telling the lie that our Founders intended only certain types of religious expression to be protected.

Nobody is preventing anyone from praying, reading the bible, or displaying religious symbols in public as long as it's not on taxpayer funded property. You're a liar when you keep promoting this lie. And it's your ilk who always just want certain types of religious expression to be protected, namely Christianity. Everyone else can go fuck themselves.

Today, there are ongoing efforts to remove the constitutional protections of faith and the faithful from our system of government

And I really wish you'd stop.

We believe that a presidential commission on religious freedom can play a crucial role in helping our nation’s leaders focus effectively on restoring our ‘noble inheritance’ of religious freedom

We wouldn't need any presidential commission if assholes like you would only read the fucking Constitution.

12/29/2011 6:42:35 AM

N. De Plume

“Presidential Commission on Religious Freedom”? Sounds a little double-thinky to me.

12/29/2011 7:01:12 AM

pete

I'm an atheist but even I get offended when the corrupt Newt dares to speak of morality.

BTW. "Corrupt" is the only word we need to discuss Newt. He's personally corrupt and professionally corrupt and has proven so time after time. The fact that some fundies support him reveals that they don't really give a rat's ass about the morality of their candidates so long as the candidate professes a desire to impose their morality on others. The funny part is that those fundies who have spoken out against him seem more out off by the fact that he actually compromised with the Dems a few times than the fact that he's corrupt.

12/29/2011 7:10:45 AM

John

Wow ... talk about a herd of straw men.

A government that prohibits an individual from praying or reading the Bible or displaying religious symbols in public is telling the lie that our Founders intended only certain types of religious expression to be protected.

But the US government doesn't prohibit an individual from praying or reading the Bible or displaying religious symbols in public. In fact, that would violate the First Amendment's "free exercise" clause. It prohibits the majority from getting together and commandeering public property to display their sect's religious symbols.

A government that systematically erodes the people’s ability to make laws based on moral or religious judgment is lying about American history, the rule of law, and the American practice of self-government.

The US government doesn't do that, either. What they can't do is to make laws that serve no secular purpose, but are made mainly to advance somebody's particular religious beliefs.

12/29/2011 7:16:24 AM

Berny

That adulterous swine is a fine one to talk about morality of any kind.
Fuck you, Newt.

12/29/2011 7:22:30 AM

Beltaine

@Scooby71

"Citation needed for all of those claims. "

It seems to cite itself rather well. As he said...

"...every time government oversteps its bounds and exerts control over an individual’s right to freedom of religion and freedom of conscience, or otherwise attempts to usurp his ability to discover truth for himself, it must lie to do so. "

12/29/2011 7:27:44 AM

Alencon

To a fundie Freedom of Religion = Imposing their religion on everyone else.

Welcome to George Orwell fundie style.

12/29/2011 7:46:06 AM

Tardis

The main point is...

This is exactly why these people are dangerous. They are not interested in history, reality or actual rule by law.

12/29/2011 8:11:19 AM

Anon-e-moose

Yeah. Way to go, to get the moderate Republicans and all-important election-deciding swing-voters on your side, buster.

Seems that this batch of 'hopefuls', in their obsession to get the Teabagger Neocunt Religious Right types onboard, the Democrats have absolutely nothing to worry about. That 2nd term is all but on that gold platter for the taking, Mr. Obama.

@#1361507

"When has the government ever attempted to do any of those things? I think you've confused this country with North Korea."

Newt 'Bitch Pimp Bling-bling' Gingrich = Kim Jong-uh?!

12/29/2011 8:18:15 AM

LDM

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

12/29/2011 8:19:14 AM

Big Jilm

Fuck you, Newt.

Wife-cheaters protecting the sanctity of marriage and trying to dictate morality.

Newt wouldn't know morality if it fucked him in the ass.

12/29/2011 8:20:26 AM



Quick! Scramble to claim any evangelical votes that you can!


I will never listen to a man who has had 3 extramarital affairs about how we need more religion. Jesus fucking christ, dude.

12/29/2011 8:24:48 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Except that opposing the separation of church and state would destroy religious freedom. "Freedom to practice any denomination of Christianity, but all other beliefs are disallowed" is not religious freedom. They are not even hiding the fact that they want to establish a theocracy anymore.

This is another reason why this man should never be elected president, but currently Gingrich is the Republican frontrunner. Sadly, this measure has probably already increased his support among the Republican Party.

12/29/2011 8:31:15 AM



The first ammendment is clear. If you want to be religious, go ahead. You just can´t force others to be religious.

12/29/2011 8:40:44 AM
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