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Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul’s gay-friendly image is taking another hit with the revelation of his endorsement by a minister who advocates the death penalty for homosexuality.

Paul’s campaign chairman for Iowa, which has an early voice in the nominating process with next Tuesday’s caucus, put out a statement yesterday touting the endorsement of the Reverend Phillip Kayser, pastor of Dominion Covenant Church in Omaha, Neb., just across the border from Iowa. Talking Points Memo reports that a paper Kayser wrote a few years ago claims the Bible justifies capital punishment for gay people.

“Difficulty in implementing Biblical law does not make non-Biblical penology just,” he wrote. “But as we have seen, while many homosexuals would be executed, the threat of capital punishment can be restorative,” leading gays to “repent.”

TPM interviewed Kayser by phone, and he confirmed his support for biblical punishments for homosexuality, up to and including the death penalty. He noted that he has differences with the candidate on gay issues — Paul, a member of Congress, voted to repeal “don’t ask, don’t tell” — but he believes Paul, as president, would allow states leeway to enact laws based on the Bible. “Under a Ron Paul presidency, states would be freed up to not have political correctness imposed on them, but obviously some state would follow what’s politically correct,” Kayser said.

The Paul campaign website had posted a press release on Kayser’s endorsement, but by Wednesday evening it had been taken off the site. Paul and his staff have made no further public statement on the matter.



Rev. Phillip Kayser, Advocate 53 Comments [1/1/2012 5:37:54 AM]
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What's sad is that the endorsement would have gained Ron Paul votes (at least in the Republican primaries).

1/1/2012 3:27:09 PM

Skatepunk

Reverend Phil Kayser shows the love of the Lord Jesus Christ... by calling for the death of gay people.

1/1/2012 5:01:04 PM

Doubting Thomas

the threat of capital punishment can be restorative,” leading gays to “repent.”

Yeah, sure they will. Just like how there are currently no gay people in Iran, according to their president.

1/1/2012 7:24:20 PM

RP

In case you didn't understand, Ron Paul refused the endorsement after such a outrageous rhetoric by that cretin.

Ron Paul is maybe THE most gay-friendly candidate out there, even more so than Obama!

He believes (and rightfully so) that gay people have every right to marriage and a "live and let live" philosophy.

Obama, on the other hand, doesn't look particularly fond to let gays marry. 4 years already and he hasn't even touched the subject.

1/2/2012 1:19:53 AM

John-in-Oz

There is no cause so obviously true and right that somewhere there isn't an idiot that supports it.
Quoting the views of a supporter rather than a candidate is foolish. Quoting the views of an idiot where he's talking about where he differs from the candidate in an attempt to discredit the candidate is completely dumb.

1/2/2012 1:25:46 AM

bevis

huh huh

you said penology

1/2/2012 2:15:31 AM

aaa

Eh, just another fine example of how absurd politics can get in North America.

1/2/2012 2:26:44 AM

moose

@ Robespierre

No personal offense, but you greatly misunderstand libertarianism. However, that discussion would be for another forum.

1/2/2012 4:42:54 AM

Double A battery

Paul has no control over who endorses him. Peter Singer, for example, is flaming communist, supports infanticide for disabled children, and wants to legalize bestiality. He strongly endorsed Obama. Does that mean Obama necessarily wants a Final Solution for the handicapped?

1/2/2012 7:12:48 AM



Ron Paul, Gay friendly? Well, Bruno did try to seduce him. I guess that counts.

1/2/2012 8:03:48 AM

Anon-e-moose

"Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul’s gay-friendly image is taking another hit with the revelation of his endorsement by a minister who advocates the death penalty for homosexuality."

"The Paul campaign website had posted a press release on Kayser’s endorsement, but by Wednesday evening it had been taken off the site. Paul and his staff have made no further public statement on the matter."

See that object streaking down from the sky, looking like a torpedo with wings & a cockpit, with a huge plume of fire coming out from the rocket engine in the end of such? That's the GOP, with Stars & Stripes hachimaki tied round it's collective head, piloting an Ohka:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yokosuka_MXY7_Ohka


That represents their electoral hopes; screaming 'BANZAI!' as they head towards the aircraft carrier that is the Repubican Party, on their one-way trip to FAILSville, Dumbfuckistan.

PROTIP: There's a good reason why the 'Ohka' was known as the Baka. Which is what Cirno (9) was pointing at, when they were climbing into the cockpit, as she said 'Look at that...!' X3

1/2/2012 9:26:40 AM



Viva Sharia Laws!

1/2/2012 9:36:08 AM

Xotan

@ Robespierre
@ Moose

Sorry Robespierre, and with greatest respect, my definition of libertarian is something that would not chime at all with yours.

The Oxford Dictionary gives:

libertarian (lib¦er|tar¦ian)
Pronunciation: /?l?b?'t??r??n/noun
1. an adherent of libertarianism:
[as modifier]: libertarian philosophy
a person who advocates civil liberty.

2a person who believes in free will.

I'll grant you that there is a re-definition of words underway currently in America (frequently being pushed by the Right Wing) that is rapidly widening the gulf between the American vernacular and European forms of English. Liberal is a victim of this defamation of the commonality of language. Again, Oxford says:


Liberal
adjective

1. willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one’s own; open to new ideas:

liberal views towards divorce, favourable to or respectful of individual rights and freedoms:

liberal citizenship laws(in a political context) favouring individual liberty, free trade, and moderate political and social reform:


Let's try to keep to one commonly-understood language and eschew all politically motivated re-definitions so that we can continue to comprehend each other.

@ Old Viking

Didn't aleister Crowley define Satanic Law when he said: Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. BTW, 'wilt' in this context means to exercise the Will. so it does not mean simply 'do as you please'; rather an act of will.

1/2/2012 1:12:58 PM

Headache

while many homosexuals would be executed, the threat of capital punishment can be restorative,” leading gays to “repent

Texas is one of the most execution horny places in the world and there is still more crimes in Texas per capita then in my home country where the longest sentence is 21 years

1/2/2012 3:09:49 PM

checkmate

@Double A battery

Paul has no control over who endorses him. Peter Singer ... strongly endorsed Obama.

But did Obama immediately post and boast about Singer's endorsement on his website, hoping to thus gain support from radical whacko fruitcakes, removing it only **after** intense public criticism?

1/2/2012 3:56:08 PM

RP

@checkmate

nor did Ron Paul for that matter.

1/2/2012 5:39:49 PM

Dr.Shrinker

@ Headache

check and mate

signed,

a staunch opponent of capital punishment

1/2/2012 6:13:44 PM

TheJebusFire

[...the Bible justifies capital punishment for gay people. ]

It also said to stone false prophets, yet I don't hear any of you calling for the death of Harold Camping.

1/2/2012 7:19:55 PM

Noneofyourbusiness

@Skynight

You'd think authoritarians would at least be well-read enough to avoid such embarrassing mistakes.

@RP, John-in-Oz

It's being discussed because his own site flaunted the endorsement. Now that's gone, and that's good. Even better would be a public statement against Kayser's crap.

1/2/2012 7:33:09 PM

Robespierre

@Xotan:

I'm aware that libertarians do not wish to see people coerced or persecuted. I do contend, though, that they have a bias which allows them to see physical coercion from the government, but blinds them to any other form of coercion from anyone else. I also contend that in most constitutional democracies, including the USA, the government is not the main source of coercion, and is actually a bulwark against private force.

Those who DO want to coerce and persecute know this, and that's why they may even occasionally endorse libertarian policies, as in this case. The reverend here is a despicable bully, but he can see the consequences of Ron Paul's policies better than Ron does.

Edit: and by libertarian policies, I don't mean death penalty for gays; I mean making the central government powerless to stop local abuses.

1/3/2012 2:11:54 AM

Mister Spak

"Kayser wrote a few years ago claims the Bible justifies capital punishment for gay people. "

The Koran justifies execution for infidel people.

But as we have seen, while many infidels would be executed, the threat of capital punishment can be restorative,” leading infidels to “repent.”


1/3/2012 6:13:21 AM

Doctor Fishcake

And what is likely to be the biggest year in FSTDT history is off to a fine start.

1/3/2012 10:38:59 AM

Xotan

@ Robespierre

Sorry R. In my social and political milieu your usage of 'libertarian', in the meaning you give, would not hold. I don't think this is so much a matter of word definition as the political and social possibilites and impossibilities that our different systems allow.

1/3/2012 4:58:38 PM

twistedhands

@Greater Good

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of Rick Perry, not Ron Paul. Paul hasn't really taken a firm stand for or against afaik.

1/4/2012 11:55:21 AM

JT

@Robespierre
@Xotan

Xotan is correct. What you are referring to is not libertarianism, per se, but rather federalism. Ron Paul is a libertarian Constitutionalist and therefor a federalist. However, that does not leave the federal government powerless to stop local abuses of power. Constitutional Federalism in the United States simply holds that states are semi-sovereign entities and that powers of the federal government are only what is spelled out in the Constitution whereas the powers of the state are everything except what is prevented by the Constitution. Paul would seem to be a localist as well, but that is something that many non-libertarians, for instance the Green Party, believe in to some degree. It is a logical belief, as one's voice in a democracy of 300 million people is so insignificant. However, there are obviously limits to local and state powers. I don't know exactly where Ron Paul stands on all the details of incorporation of the Bill of Rights, but, even if he were against it, it is so overwhelmingly accepted I don't know what he could do about it.

1/5/2012 8:17:06 AM
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