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It can also be noted that evolutionists only discuss this subject [evolution] in the broadest terms. If evolution is true, why don’t they give us answers to our many questions?

-Where did all the 90-plus elements (iron, barium, calcium, silver, nickel, neon, chlorine, etc.) come from? How was it determined how many bonds each element would have for combining with other elements?

-How do you explain the precision in the design of the elements, with increasing numbers of electrons in orbit around the nucleus?

-Where did the thousands of compounds we find in the world come from? ... They could not have developed from the elements, because elements rarely react with each other. For example, did all the salt in the ocean form by sodium reacting with chlorine (a gas)? Therefore almost all compounds had to have been created as compounds. When did all the compounds we find in the world develop—before the big bang, during the big bang, after the big bang? When evolutionists use the term “matter,” which of the thousands of compounds is included? When evolutionists use the term “primordial soup,” which of the elements and compounds is included?

Robert Congelliere, Creation Today 115 Comments [1/8/2012 5:12:02 AM]
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Did this bozo pay any attention in high school chemistry? (Did he even TAKE high school chmistry? His fundie parents probably told him it was a satanic subject...)

1/8/2012 9:00:21 AM


Evolutionists don't answer your questions, halfwit, because they have nothing to do with evolution.
Talk to a physicist.

1/8/2012 9:00:37 AM

"If evolution is true, why is the sky blue?"

Makes as much sense as any of your questions.

1/8/2012 9:01:40 AM



1/8/2012 9:12:01 AM


None of that has to do with evolution itself, but I can see why they're grasping at those straws. They seriously need to look up 'chemical weathering'. One documentary on the process answered a lot of questions for me about where the chemical compounds for life came from(which is what I think they're trying to get at in the most blatantly ignorant way possible).

1/8/2012 9:15:16 AM


None of that has anything to do with evolution.

1/8/2012 9:39:19 AM


They already HAVE answered these questions. But none of them have to do with evolution, so no wonder you haven't heard the answers.

1/8/2012 9:39:52 AM

Giardano Bruno

Shroedinger equation. Learn to understand it bitch.

1/8/2012 9:45:09 AM

Doubting Thomas

What does chemistry have to do with evolution? This is like asking "If evolution is true, where did electron flow through a conductor come from?"

1/8/2012 9:54:07 AM

David F Mayer

If you would bother to learn some Chemistry and Physics, you would find the answers to these and many similar questions.

1/8/2012 10:01:38 AM

The Theory of Evolution is biology. A biologist may know of the rest of those questions but it is not his field.

for formation of elements look at nucleosynthesis. Nuclear fusion in stars builds elements from hydrogen through to Iron. You need a supernova to get fusion above iron. Not all stars make all elements, it depends on age and size.

Look at miller-urey for primordial soup contents and abiogenesis for some of the other ideas about how life got started.

In short, open a science book or learn to use an internet search engine.

1/8/2012 10:05:17 AM


Not everything has to be designed. Somethings, like say elements and their abilities to bond, are just the way they are. Freedom and uncertainty are pretty scary, huh, Robert?

1/8/2012 10:06:32 AM


Dear Mr Congelliere,
none of the questions you have asked have anything to do with the theory of evolution.
But, correct me if I'm wrong, I get the feeling that if you were personally cornered and each of your questions answered in detail you would reject them because it 'doesn't explain evolution.' Because you are wearing Creationist blinkers and if it isn't in the Bible it can't be true.
Anyone reasonably answering your questions would get tangled up in your childish 'but how' until they gave up and you would say;
'They can't explain evolution therefore it isn't true!'

1/8/2012 10:06:38 AM


Question 1a: Aside from Hydrogen, Helium, and a fair amount of Lithium, they were all forged in the hearts of enormous dying suns. The three that I had mentioned came about as a direct result of the Big Bang.

Question 1b: Electrons are very simple little things that, like all matter, tend to follow paths that require little energy output. When they're bound to an atomic nucleus, that lowest energy state is in the form of an orbital which, thanks to the simplicity of the electron, can be mathematically calculated and even modeled.

Question 2: See 1b.

Question 3a: Though there are certain elements, known as the noble gasses, that do not normally react with other matter, most chemicals are actually very reactive. I am uncertain where Robert got evidence to the contrary.

Question 3b: Chlorine and Sodium are actually two of the most reactive chemicals in the universe. It's actually little wonder that Sodium Chloride is so prevalent in the oceans. Since these two chemicals are so reactive, they will most often react with each other. If one wishes to see how easily different chemicals can react to each other, just light a Harry Potter novel on fire. That's a chemical reaction, right there.

Question 3c: See Question 1.

Question 3d: Uh... All of them. It's pretty much inherent in the definition of the word.

Question 3e: On Earth and many other planets, certain chemical compounds were more likely to form than others. The "primordial soup" consisted of those compounds, immersed in the oceans that spanned the world. Though science is far from unraveling the mystery of how many of these chemicals came to be, great strides in the last 60 years have been made, showing that the many base compounds that exist in life as we know it can be produced on a lifeless planet like the primordial Earth.

1/8/2012 10:39:05 AM


I'll give you a wee bit of help, go here.

1/8/2012 10:53:08 AM


Dear Philbert MacAdamia: Your Cosmic Soup sounds delicious. I'm writing it down.

1/8/2012 11:06:49 AM

Maybe the reason the evolutionists aren't giving you answers on those things is because they have absolutely nothing to do with evolution. Think before you type.

1/8/2012 11:22:52 AM


How can anyone with access to the internet be so wilfully ignorant?

1/8/2012 11:34:00 AM


Evolution has nothing to do with chemistry, you fuckwit!

I would have respect for their constant complaining if creationists and ID proponents had an actual alternate scientific theory to evolution. Instead, they want these beliefs to be taken seriously: that the world is 6000 years old, which goes against mountains of geologic data; that the world was created by a deity in 6 days in its present form; and that people were created from dirt or just called into existence, depending on which contradictory Genesis account you subscribe to. Mind you, the only proof of all this comes from the poorly translated rambligs of Semitic goat herders. It's pathetic.

1/8/2012 11:44:32 AM


At the risk of sounding like Headache you have to wonder why it's only in the USA that this sort of demented rambling is taken seriously.

1/8/2012 11:51:17 AM

D Laurier

It can also be noted that evolutionists only discuss this subject [evolution] in the broadest terms.
It can also be noted that "evolutionists" do not exist.

If evolution is true, why don’t they give us answers to our many questions?
If evolution were "true" it would be a statement. Evolution is ot a statement, it is a PROCESS.

Where did all the 90-plus elements (iron, barium, calcium, silver, nickel, neon, chlorine, etc.) come from?
What does this have to do with evolution?
Not a single thing.

The rest is equaly irrelevent to evolution. Stupid questions about chemistry and physics, that any 10th grader can answer.
And the usual "evolutionists" nonsense.

Here's a clue Robert. Evolution is a BIOLOGICAL PROCESS of GENETIC REPLICATION and DIVERSIFICATION. It has nothing to do with where elements come from.

1/8/2012 11:52:00 AM


You are asking physics questions from biologists. You might want to take a few doors down the hall, where the nuclear physicists are having a chessboxing match with some chemists.

1/8/2012 11:54:35 AM


If evolution is true, why don’t they give us answers to our many questions?

It takes 3 seconds to ask a question, but it may take an entire college course, or maybe even an entire college degree, to answer it. When Clifford Stoll, the author of "The Cuckoo's Egg", took the final orals for his PhD in astrophysics, the referees asked him only one question: "why is the sky blue?". As they continued to say "be more specific", it took him through pretty much the entire subject of quantum particle physics.

1/8/2012 12:19:40 PM


"Where did the thousands of compounds we find in the world come from? ... They could not have developed from the elements, because elements rarely react with each other."

Jesus. This guy is dumber than nails.

1/8/2012 12:42:40 PM


I know evolution is true because my toast tell me so!

1/8/2012 12:43:23 PM

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