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It can also be noted that evolutionists only discuss this subject [evolution] in the broadest terms. If evolution is true, why don’t they give us answers to our many questions?

-Where did all the 90-plus elements (iron, barium, calcium, silver, nickel, neon, chlorine, etc.) come from? How was it determined how many bonds each element would have for combining with other elements?

-How do you explain the precision in the design of the elements, with increasing numbers of electrons in orbit around the nucleus?

-Where did the thousands of compounds we find in the world come from? ... They could not have developed from the elements, because elements rarely react with each other. For example, did all the salt in the ocean form by sodium reacting with chlorine (a gas)? Therefore almost all compounds had to have been created as compounds. When did all the compounds we find in the world develop—before the big bang, during the big bang, after the big bang? When evolutionists use the term “matter,” which of the thousands of compounds is included? When evolutionists use the term “primordial soup,” which of the elements and compounds is included?

Robert Congelliere, Creation Today 115 Comments [1/8/2012 5:12:02 AM]
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farpadokly

Creationists seem to think they can prove the existence of a creator by just asking a number of questions. Unfortunately, it proves absolutely nothing. At best, all it does is refine the scientific model further.
The one central fallacy they make, which undermines their whole thinking, is to confuse naturally occurring and created objects. Even if one accepts their arguments, they're still only at the beginning stages of a hypothesis that *something* created the universe. They haven't even begun to adduce evidence that it was the God mentioned in the Bible, of all gods. Why can it not have been aliens? If you entertain creation as a hypothesis, then that fits the facts just as well, if not better.

1/8/2012 1:06:36 PM

Wehpudicabok

Creationist doesn't know what he's arguing against, part 1923712839.

1/8/2012 1:26:11 PM

Brendan Rizzo

But all of these questions have answers, and none of them have anything to do with evolution! In fact, I'll answer them right now.

-Where did all the 90-plus elements (iron, barium, calcium, silver, nickel, neon, chlorine, etc.) come from? How was it determined how many bonds each element would have for combining with other elements?

Hydrogen and (some) helium were produced when the universe cooled enough for subatomic particles to join together by the electromagnetic force. The elements from helium to iron were produced by nuclear fusion in stars. All the elements heavier than iron were produced by supernova explosions. And as you would expect from this, hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, followed by helium through iron, and all the elements heavier than iron are far less abundant than the elements lighter than iron.

-How do you explain the precision in the design of the elements, with increasing numbers of electrons in orbit around the nucleus?

You might as well ask why the number 2 comes after the number 1.

-Where did the thousands of compounds we find in the world come from? ... They could not have developed from the elements, because elements rarely react with each other. For example, did all the salt in the ocean form by sodium reacting with chlorine (a gas)? Therefore almost all compounds had to have been created as compounds. When did all the compounds we find in the world develop—before the big bang, during the big bang, after the big bang? When evolutionists use the term “matter,” which of the thousands of compounds is included? When evolutionists use the term “primordial soup,” which of the elements and compounds is included?

You are completely wrong about elements never forming compounds. It happens ALL THE FUCKING TIME, including solids reacting with gases. Do you know what rust is? Rust is iron reacting with oxygen! Something that you said never happens! You are an idiot of the highest order!

1/8/2012 1:28:16 PM

Evilution Teacher

If you had taken and PAID attention in the following courses that I teach in high school you would have your answers:

Astronomy
Chemistry
Biology
Geology
Oceanography

Oh - you were home-schooled? Nevermind.

1/8/2012 2:26:14 PM



"Where did all the 90-plus elements (iron, barium, calcium, silver, nickel, neon, chlorine, etc.) come from? "

Are you really that fucking ignorant?
Take a nuclear physics course at the undergraduate level, Copernicus.
And that's not biology anyway, idiot.

1/8/2012 2:32:06 PM

Old Viking

Neener, neener, neener, Robert, we know the answers and we're not going to tell you.

1/8/2012 3:18:58 PM

Mike Sihl

If Genesis is true then can you explain to me how planes stay in the air?

1/8/2012 4:58:23 PM

BrightStars

because elements rarely react with each other
Go lick a bar of sodium then. I double dare you.

1/8/2012 5:19:45 PM

The Dude Abides

I guess the fundie definition of evolution is "anything what I don't unnerstand"

1/8/2012 5:26:44 PM

Raised by Horses

What's an "evolutionist"? Someone who yells at simpler life forms to evolve faster?

The proper term is 'evolutionary scientist'. Attaching the '-ist' suffix is an attempt to make evolution look like it is merely a matter of opinion, thus dragging it down to the level of unsupported conjecture, which, unlike most matters fundies spend their time discussing, it is not.

As for the rest of your idiotic, red herring questions, go visit a science blog. I'm sure people will be happy to elucidate and correct you, though I doubt you'll be much inclined to listen, seeing as how you've already made up your mind.

1/8/2012 6:45:37 PM

Alencon

I see creationists fail chemistry as well as biology.

1/8/2012 6:45:41 PM

Zimmer

1. Argument from ignorance.

2. Argument from ignorance.

3. Argument from ignorance.


Good day.

1/8/2012 8:09:30 PM

Dan I

1. Evolution has nothing to do with the elements, your want chemistry or physics.

2. I can explain the precision of elements in regards to their order by atomic number...WE CHOSE TO ARRANGE THEM LIKE THAT.

That's like saying "how do you explain the precise order of letters in the alphabet?"

1/8/2012 8:26:22 PM

rebel

It would help if you stick to one discipline of science. If you want to know an answer about biology, why not ask a question that has to do with biology? Seriously, it's like asking a plumber a question about human health. Might not be the best solution.


1/8/2012 9:38:48 PM

Chalchiuhtotolin

All elements up to and including iron are formed by fusion within stars. Heavier elements are formed when the star supernovas. Elements bond according to their valence, or the number of electrons they have in their outer shell. Atoms tend to "want" eight electrons and bond to do this.

You obviously know nothing about chemistry, fuckass.

The shapes of the orbits of electrons can hold only so many. Atoms with more electrons have more sublevels.

They come from chemical reactions. Yes they could. After. Time didn't apply before the big bang. Matter refers to everything with mass. Primordial soup contains the compounds necessary to create amino acids.

I'd also like to point out that THAT THESE AREN'T FUCKING BIOLOGY QUESTIONS.

YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY /NOTHING/ ABOUT CHEMISTRY. THIS IS HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL KNOWLEDGE THAT HAS LITTLE TO DO WITH BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION.

1/8/2012 10:06:49 PM

Shadow

As a chemistry major, this was almost physically painful for me to read.

1/8/2012 10:44:51 PM

Mat

You, my dear lad, are talking about Chemistry. Evolution is a biological theory, and the reason that no biologists are too specific about the means by which life first formed is that none of us were there.

1/8/2012 11:37:23 PM

Jack Bauer

elements rarely react with each other.

What manner of bollocks is this?

Citation seriously fucking needed


1/9/2012 12:45:12 AM

Mister Spak

"It can also be noted that evolutionists only discuss this subject [evolution] in the broadest terms. If evolution is true, why don’t they give us answers to our many questions? "

Because you fundies can only understand it at a 2nd grade level.

"-Where did all the 90-plus elements (iron, barium, calcium, silver, nickel, neon, chlorine, etc.) come from?"

From supernovas. We've known this for decades.

"-How do you explain the precision in the design of the elements, with increasing numbers of electrons in orbit around the nucleus?"

How do you explain that numbers of elecrons also decrease?

" They could not have developed from the elements, because elements rarely react with each other. "

Then we don't need the fire department.

1/9/2012 5:09:35 AM

The Jamo

"-How do you explain the precision in the design of the elements, with increasing numbers of electrons in orbit around the nucleus?"

You know, the thing about this is that there are no protons and neutrons, and there are no electrons orbiting anything. These are just abstracts invented by scientists to help us visualise the [sub]atomic world. None of this stuff actually looks the way it does in books because these explanations are only meant as tools to help us conceptualise what is, in actual fact, a really bizarre, alien and counterintuitive world.

Now, what has any of this got to do with evolution is anyone's guess : )

1/9/2012 5:24:32 AM

Brianisha

We dont have the answers to everything, but neither do you dear arrogant fundie.

1/9/2012 6:35:11 AM

dionysus

elements rarely react with each other

Okay then, Sparky, try this little experiment:
take a ton of hydrogen gas and combine it with a ton of oxygen and combine the two at close proximity to you. I mean, nothing will happen as they rarely react, right?

1/9/2012 7:12:30 AM

Murdin

I am an uneducated, small-minded idiot who can't conceive anything greater than himself without resorting to religious memes invented by other, smarter people. Therefore, God did it all.

1/9/2012 8:18:54 AM

Anon-e-moose

"It can also be noted that evolutionists only discuss this subject [evolution] in the broadest terms. If evolution is true, why don’t they give us answers to our many questions?"

It can also be noted that fundies only discuss this subject [Creation] in the vaguest terms. If creation is fact, why don’t they give us answers to our few questions:

1- Who created God?

2- If God could poof a universe, world & all the life on it into being, why couldn't he have done the same with Adam & Eve?

3- So he can do the above hyper-complex things, yet he can't do one relatively piss-easy thing: prove his existence to we Atheists, and to our satisfaction? Yeah. That's being 'Omnipotent', alright! [/hyper-sarcasm]

@dionysus

"elements rarely react with each other"

Here's a little experiment I'd like to see Robby-boy conduct upon himself:

Eat a handful of Sodium. Or drink a pint of Hydrochloric Acid. >:D

I'm suuuuuure those elements wouldn't react with your stomach, Bob. Remember: Mark 16:18, and all that jazz...!

After all, Faith protects...! [/WH40K] X3

1/9/2012 10:18:27 AM

Passerby

So, if I'm reading this crap right his question is:

"If evolution is true, why don't I have a single fucking clue how it, inorganic matter, chemistry, or even basic scientific inquiry works?"

1/9/2012 10:28:37 AM
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