Take a look at what’s going on around us, basically what happens I believe is that if you strip away the biblical blueprint, then males fall into one of two categories: they either become thugs and treat women with brutal callousness, or they become hideous hermaphrodites lacking the charm of women and the masculinity of men. Welcome to the new secular liberal male in America. Those are the two kinds you get, thugs or wimps, because the gifts of masculinity with all its traditions of honor and respect, commitment and responsibility, and yes treatment of women, spring directly from the pages of the Bible.
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"because the gifts of masculinity with all its traditions of honor and respect, commitment and responsibility, and yes treatment of women, spring directly from the pages of the Bible."
Please!Stop! My sides are aching!
Take a look at what’s going on around us, basically what happens I believe is that if you strip away the biblical blueprint, then males fall into one of two categories: they either become thugs and treat women with brutal callousness, or they become hideous hermaphrodites lacking the charm of women and the masculinity of men.
Which is far, far worse than the world with the biblical blueprint, where males are thugs and treat women with brutal callousness.
Bible? What Bible would that be, Rabbi? If you mean Tanakh, that's only half a Bible.
And you haven't even got half an argument.
The Bible is a sad collection of tales and taboos from tribes of cattle raiders, who were significantly less civilized than anybody around them and somehow made a virtue out of being pushed around by all their neighbours, until they finally found somebody to pick on and steal land from. If you want to find biblical treatment of women, you're far more likely to find it in tribal Pakistan than anywhere civilization shines. This has nothing to do with religion: your book merely sanctifices barbarous, uncivilized practices found among all peoples before they reach a decent level of social development.
I find it all the more revolting that in your rant you seem to care only for the male side of behaviour, as if women were an object that passively accepts either protection, nurture or abuse. Fuck off quickly.
What biblical blueprint? The one where God told the Jews to kill everyone, except they could keep the virgin women for themselves? The one that says if a man buys another man's daughter then wants to return her in "used" condition, he has to pay her father a "restocking fee"? The one where King David got the wife of one of his generals pregnant, then tried to order him back home so the general could have sex with his wife and think the kid was his, and then when he refused to come back, had him sent into battle to be killed?
And how come the divorce rate for atheists in the US is half that of fundamentalist Christians who pour over the Bible daily?
Well. I am not religious and I am neither a hermaphrodite (You might want to look up what that word means in future, Rabbi) nor are I either brutal nor callous towards women.
So what does this say to your opinion, Rabbi?
I'm a black belt who doesn't go around picking fights (in fact I avoid them, for the other person's safety) and I had enough charm to get the woman I love (which is good enough for me). Oh, and I'm an atheist. Rabbi's mind=>blown.
Eeeeh, you're an idiot.
Besides, you just have to look at fundamentalists of the three major religions (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) to see that they treat women with brutal callousness, if not treating them as property.
"...I believe is that if you strip away the biblical blueprint, then males fall into one of two categories: they either become thugs and treat women with brutal callousness, or they become hideous hermaphrodites lacking the charm of women and the masculinity of men."
Thanks. As a non-biblically blueprinted male, I am neither a misogynist thug nor a hermaphrodite. I do appreciate you idiotically sweeping and insulting generalization, however. A**hole.
"Welcome to the new secular liberal male in America."
Thank you. Welcome to you backward, social misfits too.
"...treatment of women, spring directly from the pages of the Bible."
That the Bible commands one to be a misogynistic a**hole is unimportant in our modern society. Come on, Danny, join us in the 21st century.
"Take a look at what’s going on around us, basically what happens I believe is that if you strip away the biblical blueprint, then males fall into one of two categories: they either become thugs and treat women with brutal callousness, or they become hideous hermaphrodites lacking the charm of women and the masculinity of men."
...or they become like George Clooney:
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Educated. Prosperous. Civilised. Generous. Secure in themselves; their self-image, and how others perceive them - either by women or gay men.
Not for nothing was he voted Sexiest Man Alive. Twice.
He's an Atheist.
PROTIP: British author, broadcaster and humourist Rabbi Lionel Blue is gay . Now hop off, bunny-boy Danny.
...oh, and like homosexuals, aren't rabbits an abomination, Rabbi Lapin , you hraka !?
...if you strip away the biblical blueprint, then males fall into one of two categories: they either become thugs and treat women with brutal callousness, or they become hideous hermaphrodites lacking the charm of women and the masculinity of men.
In your head, maybe. In the real world, we have the likes of Pat Tillman, Lance Armstrong, Jason Miller, and Robert Smith.
...the gifts of masculinity with all its traditions of honor and respect, commitment and responsibility, and yes treatment of women, spring directly from the pages of the Bible.
Which pages, exactly ?
Funny. I reject the Bible and yet I'm neither. In fact I would say that the Bible is a better promoter of chauvinism, what with the few characters like Esther and Mary Magdolin, when are women ever treated properly in the Bible? Hell your theocracy blames them for every thing that's wrong with the world.
Seriously Mr Lapin, what the fuck is this bullshit you are spewing?
The bible makes abundantly clear the idea that women are property, the idea that women are innately evil, and the idea that women must be controled by men.
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Biblical treatment of women. Let me see...the stoning death of women who couldn't prove they bled on their wedding nights, even years later; the execution of rape victims who were raped in the city; offering one's virgin daughters to rape gangs to protect the peace of one's guests; cutting up one's gang-raped concubine and sending her pieces around the country; making your childless wife give you her handmaid for breeding; capturing the enemies' virgins for the same purpose; ripping up pregnant bellies; tearing "sucklings" from the nipple and dashing their brains out before their mothers' horrified eyes; wishing pubic mange on the girls of Jerusalem for being "too haughty"...have I missed something? Likely. But surely that is better than "brutal and callous" treatment meted out to women in secular America.
Dr. Shrinker:
"Those are the two kinds you get,..."
What is it with religious fanatics and false dichotomies?"
If you present an argument as only existing at two extremes it makes it easier to stereotype and demonize one side (or both sides, as in this case). No need to have nuances or moderate stances, because that would just lead to actual thinking about an issue.
Lapin? that's bunny rabbit in French. Srsly. Perhaps you forgot to type the final T, Rabbi.
I'm gay, I'm 69, I'm a musician, choirmaster, I read and write poetry and compose music - but I'm no hermaphrodite. Nor am I effeminate of camp. So what if I appreciate the fine things in life, and deprecate the ignorant and the crude - like troglodytes.
I like and respect women. Hell, even my dear mother was a woman. I won't hazard what Rabbi(t)'s was. But if it was a woman and not a she-devil, she must be mightily disappointed to hear her son so malign her and other women.
Some of my most capable bosses in the work situation were women. Undoubtedly the worst were men.
And isn't Judaism supposed to respect women too? This begs the question, are you who you say you are, Bugsy? Not that it matters. An asshole is an asshole wherever and whenever even when it's a Rabbi(t).
Let's see here, the Bible approves and gives permission to:
Rape, cutting off a woman's hand if she accidentally touches someone's balls when two men are in a fight (I'd love to see how the Bronze Age writers came up with that one), killing her if she wasn't a virgin on your wedding night, killing a victim of rape if she didn't scream loud enough to be heard, forcing a rape victim to marry her rapist, calling them "unclean" when they are on their menstrual periods, and giving no inheritance to the daughter if there is a son.
Boy, I'm so "evil" for rejecting how the Bible tells us how to treat women and instead treating them like equals.
Yes, yes. Everything springs from the Bible. Quantum Theory? The Bible. Polio vaccines? Thank the Bible. The value of PI? It's in the Bible. (And its value is exactly 3. Suck it, mathematicians. What do you know about numbers, anyway?). The Periodic Table of the Elements? I'm pretty sure you'll find it in there somewhere if you interpret, cut, paste and shuffle the pages around long enough.
Mesopotamia? What's that? Listen, pal... There ain't nuthin' even existed before the Babble. And no, I'm not going to back that up. It's just true, and that's that.
"I get my values from the Bible. Therefore anyone who doesn't follow the Bible has no values!"
"I buy my food at Wal-Mart. Therefore anyone who doesn't shop at Wal-Mart will starve to death!"
I am so fucking sick of these idiots saying the same damn things over and over again. I may even stop reading this site simply because the crazies haven't even come up with something original to say in I don't know how long.
So in your mind a male can either be a thug or a wimp, right?
Sorry, I would rather consider women as equal partners, and individuals, instead of stereotyping them according to what a 6000 year-old book written by semi-nomadic barely civilized people. I can do some things better than my wife, she does some things better than I do. (I have a serious cleaning deficiency - she can't write her name in the snow when she pees) Neither is superior, but complimentary.
Y'know, there was a time when Rabbi meant well educated and not worthy of the title until then. This is not something a real Biblical Scholar would ever claim.
Is the "Rabbi" totally a bullshit title here or are there actual Rabbis now who, like fundie preachers, never really read the actual texts?
"Those are the two kinds you get,..."
No middle ground, yer either fer us or agin us. We got Freddy Blassie, Arnold Braunschweiger, Chuck Norris and Republican Jesus on our side and who do they have? Caspar Milquetoast, Don Knotts, Wally Cox, Mr. Rogers and who else, Liberace? Pffftt! Ah thank we'uns kin whup they asses.
Which respect transpires from the Bible(the OT at least, since he's a rabbi)?, marry your rapist?, he can divorce you at whim?, kidnap of virgin children to be raped as war spoils?, female slaves that can't be liberated, unlike men?, killing them if they're not virgin?. Or Heaven forbids, the ultraorthodox Jews, who attack prepubescent girls?
Most of the guys I know are socialists, and they treat women as equals, with kindness and respect. My brothers loves to build stuff, to handle chain-saws and power-drills and the like. I don't know how religious they are, it's not a common topic over here; it's considered a personal matter.
Confused?
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