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Ron Paul has made no secret the fact that he thought that the South was right in the Civil War. Here he is giving a speech in front of a giant Confederate Flag about why he believes the North was wrong in the Civil War and why the South was right.

Ron Paul is a neo-Confederate, and proud member of the Ludwig Von Mises Institute, which has been labeled as a neo-Confederate organization. In the video he claims that the North should have paid to buy slaves from southern slave owners to avoid the war, rather than the South renouncing slavery. Paul also fails to bring up the fact that it was the South that started the war by attacking the North in 1861.

Ron Paul was also was the only member of congress to vote against honoring the Civil Rights Act Of 1964 in on its 40th anniversary in 2004. Paul would also claim that he wouldn’t have voted for it at the time, putting him on the side of the racists in both the fight against slavery and the fight against Jim Crow segregation, the two defining struggles of Black people in America.

Several Ron Paul supporters have asked that the video be taken down, from the pro-Confederate channel, Patriot Review but Patriot Review believes that the video could help Paul win South Carolina.

Ron Paul, NewsOne 83 Comments [1/27/2012 4:23:17 AM]
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Percy Q. Shunn

And Ron Paul supporters wonder why Election Night 2012 will look exactly like Election Night 2008...


1/27/2012 4:58:37 AM

whatever

Well, that's the end of Ron Paul's chance of being President.

1/27/2012 4:59:10 AM

Serph-no-Okami

I'm not that good when it comes to politics but basically saying that slavery was a good thing does seem kind of severely retarded. But what do I know, eh?

1/27/2012 5:15:03 AM

Agrf

He did not say slavery was a good thing. He said that the south was right on most of the issues that had to do with the civil war...except slavery....he also talked about how he thought we could have freed the slaves without war like 11 other countrys in the americas.He did not vote for the civil rights act because he is a libertarian who thinks that a black or white bar owner should be able kick out whomever they want for whatever reason. I 100% disagree with his politics but this is out of context and unfair...he also stated that kids our taught that the civil war was about slavery..which is only a half truth....

1/27/2012 5:20:17 AM

Mister Spak

"Patriot Review believes that the video could help Paul win South Carolina."

Which tells us something about South Carolina, and red states in eneral.

1/27/2012 5:54:20 AM

Rob aka Mediancat

Thing is, saying "The south was right about most of the issues around the Civil War except slavery" is like saying that Nostradamus was right about everything except those prophecies. It's a pervasive and pernicious revisionism that has the US thinking the Civil War wasn't primarily fought over slavery. Of course it was. So saying that the South was right is either supporting slavery, or it's effectively semantic nonsense.

1/27/2012 6:21:03 AM



And yet this is the man who is going to save this country. Yep, that's him all right. The Messiah of America.

All snark aside, I don't get why Ron Paul is proclaimed as such a great heroic figure. At least some of his supporters are smart enough to recognize that the video was a bad idea.


1/27/2012 6:22:13 AM

John_in_Oz

As I read this, the writer is politically anti Ron Paul. Certainly his claims are an attempt to denigrate Ron Paul by innuendo and misstatement.
He is using the platform of NewsOne to imply that Ron Paul is a pro slavery racist bigot.
The video they use as evidence does not support his claim. Instead the writer misrepresents what can be seen and heard.
In related news, NewsOne has been labeled an organisation for compulsive masturbators.

1/27/2012 6:31:05 AM

Alencon

Like I've always said, not only doesn't Paul have any of the answers, he doesn't even understand the questions.

Anyone who supports him needs to look at the whole picture and see if he can still support him.

1/27/2012 6:32:50 AM

Jubba the Mad

You can legitimatley oppose slavery but still think the South was in the right. If you can't figure out how that argument works (even if you don't ultimatley agree with the argument), it's because you are either a bit of a thickie, or don't know enough about US history.

Sorry - persecution for unpopular political views is still persecution. Please stop it.

1/27/2012 6:36:49 AM

Dharmabum

Not related to this video, but what about those Paulbots? I have a Paul-supporting friend who thinks the guy walks on water. Ron Paul could fuck an underage goat and force it to have an abortion and eat the fetus, and my Paulbot friend would find a way to justify it.

1/27/2012 6:37:06 AM

Bollox

Not about slavery? So, what was the US Civil War about? Oooh, ooh, I know, it was about States' Rights.

Specifically, the right to have slavery laws.

1/27/2012 6:45:22 AM

Doubting Thomas

Anyone still want to claim that Ron Paul isn't racist? This, after all those newsletters he claimed he didn't know about?

OK, maybe he really isn't racist, but... does anyone really think his public image will be anything but?

1/27/2012 7:08:20 AM

checkmate

@whatever

Well, that's the end of Ron Paul's chance of being President.

No, that didn't end his chance of being President. He never had any chance to begin with.

This is just one more of the 10^30 gazillion brain farts Ronny has been passing for decades, no matter how out of context it is. The same old crap, nothing new, nothing unexpected.

Just because a district of brain dead Texans elected this clown to office over and over again doesn't discredit the US as a whole. And the Paulbots? They don't surprise me one little bit. There's always a certain fraction of whackos like that around and Paul is the shit pile that attracts them. Good! It keeps them away from the rest and makes them easy to identify.

1/27/2012 7:36:02 AM

Mister Spak

@Jubba the Mad:
"You can legitimatley oppose slavery but still think the South was in the right."

Except the entire southern rebellion was about slavery. As in the south was pro-slavery.
If you can't figure out how that argument works it's because you are either a bit of a thickie, or don't know enough about US history.

Sorry - revisionist history by a FSTDT commenter is still revisionist history

1/27/2012 8:10:17 AM

Arath

Stay mad liberals.

The south HAD the right to secede. Maybe when you have time between worshipping Obama, check the original constitution and what it said about state secession.

Not to mention that thinking the war was about slavery as retarded as thinking we attacked Iraq to bring "freedom".


As for the civil rights act: discrimination is bad, government regulating what you are supposed to think, say and do is worse.

Let the mad storm commence.

1/27/2012 8:10:57 AM

John

Several Ron Paul supporters have asked that the video be taken down

Why? If a candidate's beliefs are offensive to most Americans, why not change candidates instead of trying to whitewash his beliefs.

1/27/2012 8:47:37 AM

whoanelly

Although his racist and anti-semitic newsletters (though the articles may not have been written by Paul, the newsletter had his signature of approval) show that at heart, Ron Paul may be racist/an anti-Semite, his reasons for opposing the civil rights act are not racist. Ron Paul is a libertarian. He believes that people should have absolute rights over who they allow in their places of business, and if a person doesn't want black people in their restaurant, then fine.

I find that view repugnant, personally. But, his opposition to the civil rights act is not due to overt racism, as this article would have one believe.


Edit: I do find the cult of personality around Ron Paul weird and unwarranted. And the conservatives say liberals treat Barack Obama like a Messiah . . .

1/27/2012 8:52:40 AM

Bollox

The south HAD the right to secede.

Maybe so, but why did they want to? Because they had worked themselves up into a state of panic and paranoia, believing that Lincoln was a radical abolitionist who was going to steal all their niggers *.

Anyone doubting that slavery was the proximate cause of secession might like to check the original declarations of secession, some of which are here: http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html

(* - Does any of this sound familiar?)

1/27/2012 8:58:55 AM

J. James

Oh, what the fuck. Really, South Carolina? Really? You don't see the Nazis proudly displaying swastikas in the back windows of their battered pickup trucks, bitching about "heritage" or some bullshit. Yet your state STILL FLIES THE CONFEDERATE FLAG.

Seriously, this neo-nonsense is inexcusable! I'm a freaking Lee- a direct descendant of general Robert E. Lee! My grandparents have artifacts and flags and things in their guest bedroom! And we still think this racist horseshit is fucking retarded!

1/27/2012 9:10:16 AM

Noneofyourbusiness

Yeah, 'cause individual rights are so important they even extend to having slaves. Don't make me laugh and puke simultaneously.

1/27/2012 9:19:58 AM

Arath

"Anyone doubting that slavery was the proximate cause of secession might like to check the original declarations of secession, some of which are here: http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html "

Yes, slavery was the spearhead issue but it was by far not the only issue or even the main issue.

The north-south cultural split, the north's pressure to the south's economy (and I don't mean only through slavery abolition. The north had "stolen" many port jabs by redirecting canals and contracts), political split with the south heavily opposing increased federate powers while the north preferred a more centralized government to assist with the industrialization etc.


Heck, even the slavery issue wasn't for "morality" (almost nothing is).

The north needed industrial workers, the south needed cotton pickers. A person could be either.


So don't play it so high and mighty.




Ps: even if it WAS for the slavery only, that would STILL not justify trashing the constitution, revoking the citizenship of almost half of your population, killing millions of people, including (or rather mainly) civilians and completely devastating the economy while offering no alternative economy.

Lincoln was a bad president and a tyrant. I spit on him.

1/27/2012 9:23:59 AM

Bollox

Denial is apparently a river in South Carolina as well as Egypt. Keep digging, Arath, that hole's not going to get any deeper by itself.

1/27/2012 9:31:39 AM

Arath

Bollox:

A) that was one horrible pun. You can do better than that.

B) ever considered that YOU might be in denial?


Wait, never mind, forgot. Liberals are always right. The rest of us are simply not "enlightened".

1/27/2012 9:40:56 AM

Sasha

@Arath, perhaps the South's decision to start a war was a poor idea then, if the North had industry and all the South had was cotton. They brought the war on themselves. I have no sympathy whatsoever.

1/27/2012 9:46:08 AM
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