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Ron Paul has made no secret the fact that he thought that the South was right in the Civil War. Here he is giving a speech in front of a giant Confederate Flag about why he believes the North was wrong in the Civil War and why the South was right.

Ron Paul is a neo-Confederate, and proud member of the Ludwig Von Mises Institute, which has been labeled as a neo-Confederate organization. In the video he claims that the North should have paid to buy slaves from southern slave owners to avoid the war, rather than the South renouncing slavery. Paul also fails to bring up the fact that it was the South that started the war by attacking the North in 1861.

Ron Paul was also was the only member of congress to vote against honoring the Civil Rights Act Of 1964 in on its 40th anniversary in 2004. Paul would also claim that he wouldn’t have voted for it at the time, putting him on the side of the racists in both the fight against slavery and the fight against Jim Crow segregation, the two defining struggles of Black people in America.

Several Ron Paul supporters have asked that the video be taken down, from the pro-Confederate channel, Patriot Review but Patriot Review believes that the video could help Paul win South Carolina.

Ron Paul, NewsOne 83 Comments [1/27/2012 4:23:17 AM]
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nazani14

@Agrf-
".he also talked about how he thought we could have freed the slaves without war "
Yeah, this is out of context. The context is that the slaves were PEOPLE, and if the North paid the Southerners to let them go, or even swapped farm machinery for them- that would still be exchanging money for people, which is perpetuating slavery or paying ransom.

1/27/2012 9:50:10 AM

= POPE =

@ Arath

"Stay mad liberals."

We really don't seem to be the party that acts through incessant fuming anger. You may accuse the liberals of collectivism, but it's the conservatives that always seem to have some axe to grind.

"The south HAD the right to secede. Maybe when you have time between worshipping Obama, check the original constitution and what it said about state secession."

Yes, and if we had just walked away, "Jesusland" could have kept Presimadent Dumbya all to themselves.

"Not to mention that thinking the war was about slavery as retarded as thinking we attacked Iraq to bring "freedom"."

The South lost parity in California. (Pro-slavery advocates wanted slaves in the mines.) The writing was on the wall thanks to the abolitionist movement. What else do you think motivated secession? The right to wear funny ties and dress up like Col. Sanders?


"As for the civil rights act: discrimination is bad, government regulating what you are supposed to think, say and do is worse."

And crazy racist bastards telling you what you are supposed to think, say and do is an abomination. Even if they're your shithead parents.

"Let the mad storm commence."

1/27/2012 9:57:12 AM

SomeoneYouKnow

I'm more surprised that the Paulbots haven't voted this down into the negative hundreds yet than these being Paul's views, seems like every time there is something remotely negative about their "messiah" they come out of the woodwork. I swear the fanaticism surpasses even Kim Jong-il's biggest wet dream with his cult of personality.

1/27/2012 10:18:11 AM



@pope:

So, in short, if the south was so terrible WHY THE HECK KEEP IT?

Your "united states of progress" is so obviously held back by us evil rednecks so why the heck invade and cause so many million deaths and suffering?

"And crazy bastards telling you what you are supposed to think, say and do is an abomination. Even if they're your shithead parents. "

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2092412/Why-I-let-son-dress-like-girl-years--sake-I-stop-it.html

You mean something like this were the parents forced their boy to wear women clothes and forbade him from wear "too masculine" clothing?

@Sasha

The north declared war, not the other way around. Read a book.


(damn, forgot my name. Still Arath here in case it isn't clear)

1/27/2012 10:18:19 AM

Bollox

What on earth makes you think I'm a 'liberal', Arath? Here's a hint: there are more than two kinds of people in the world.

Oh, and the South fired the first shots. Read a book.

1/27/2012 10:27:36 AM



@ Arath

Actually no, the South fired the first shots of the American Civil War at the Battle of Fort Sumter in Charleston, SC in 1861.

Also in your link to the DailyMail, where does it say that their son was forced to dress a certain way other than conforming to the gender norms? Looks to me the parents made him stop.

1/27/2012 10:34:29 AM



@Arath
You're citing the Daily Heil as a source? Really? What's next, Stormfront? Conservapedia?

1/27/2012 10:49:39 AM

Sasha

@Arath,

As others have mentioned, the South fired on Fort Sumter, S.C., in 1861, which resulted in the North declaring war. Kinda like how Japan bombing Pearl Harbor resulted in the U.S. declaring war.

Stop apologizing for the Confederacy. They made their choice, they paid the price. The Union had the advantage in manpower, industry, and allies; the South were fools for going to war.

1/27/2012 10:53:48 AM

= POPE =

@ Arath

"So, in short, if the south was so terrible WHY THE HECK KEEP IT?"

1. Control of the Lower Mississippi and the Gulf of Mexico.

2. Tobacco

3. Bourbon

4. Coal, timber*, cotton, and cattle.

5. Sort of the same reason parents don't drown unruly teenagers. They probably thought you would have matured by now.

* The great big beams holding up all the machinery in this mill building are Southern Yellow Pine. http://www.conservationtech.com/x-milltowns/RL-Photographs-4x5/AMOSKEAG-photos/Amoskeag-0007.jpg

1/27/2012 11:54:53 AM

Skatepunk

The North was right all along. The South was hell-bent not only on keeping slavery, but oppressing non-whites for another 100 years!

You lost! Get over it!

1/27/2012 12:12:29 PM

Rabbit of Caerbannog

Should be in RSTDT...

1/27/2012 12:40:25 PM

Rabbit of Caerbannog

@Arath

Holy shit, a PaulBot!

We won, you lost :P


1/27/2012 12:43:40 PM

Rabbit of Caerbannog

@Jubba the Mad

"Sorry - persecution for unpopular political views is still persecution. Please stop it."

No. Fuck NeoConfederates.

1/27/2012 12:50:01 PM

Old Viking

H. L. Mencken once said that if the entire south were to disappear tomorrow it would have as much effect on the civilized world as a flood on the Yangtze River.

1/27/2012 1:10:18 PM

Herman

@Agrf

Have you read the Articles of Secession?

http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html

1/27/2012 1:11:57 PM

Rob aka Mediancat

And I would note, the South did NOT have the right to secede. The analogy usually used here is that of the American Revolution, but that fails miserably.

The colonies REBELLED against the British government and fought their way to freedom. They sure as hell didn't secede.

1/27/2012 1:15:25 PM

Papabear

How embarrassing that Ron Paul is actually an elected member of congress. He and Bachman should have run together on the ignorant, wackadoodle ticket.

1/27/2012 1:37:25 PM



Considering the sheer backward ignorance of the population of former Confederate states, which hasn't improved much (and in some ways worse) since the Civil War; in hindsight, it seems folly to have NOT let them go when the opportunity presented itself and madness to actually have fought and died to keep them in the Union.

1/27/2012 2:00:25 PM

Murdin

"Sorry - persecution for unpopular political views is still persecution. Please stop it."

You are not being persecuted. Your political views are not unpopular. Me telling you to shut the fuck up doesn't infringe on your freedom of speech. Shut the fuck up.


@Arath : You should really, really stick to the "discussion" about the American Civil War. Not that it is particularly brilliant or convincing, mind you. Actually, the way it edges on slavery apology is pretty disgusting. But each time that you try to drift out of it, you only manage to show what a hateful idiot you really are. Your revisionist bullshit is quite well thought-out, in comparison to the rest of your bullshit.

_ Tell "liberals" to "stay mad", display more raeg than all the previous posts combined. Also, the mad storm commenced with the first line of your message - not at the bottom of it.

_ Just because the folk here do not hate on Obama (much) doesn't mean that they like him. Like many if not most people, we loathe and distrust all politicians - but there are some that we hate more than others. Accusing "FSTDT" of Obama-worship would be like accusing you of being a Bush fanboy. It only shows how incredibly shallow and prejudiced you are in your understanding of your opponents.

1/27/2012 3:44:27 PM

Murdin

_ When you say that "government regulating what you are supposed to do is worse", you actually mean "government regulating what I am supposed to do is worse". And yes, this is an affirmation, not a question. I'm sure you are perfectly fine with government regulating what people are allowed to do to you. Why does the state force us to respect other people's rights, freedom, health and dignity, at the price of our own absolute freedom? Because that's its fucking role, that's why.

_ Liberals do not deal in enlightenment any more than you. You are not the only sane man in an ocean of spiritual wooers. People can hold different opinions than yours without resorting to the supernatural belief in a cosmic truth.

_ You are using the Daily Mail as a source. The story in the article has jack shit to do with the one you intended to tell. In fact, their messages are pretty much opposite from one another. The story you actually intended to tell has been the subject of a recent thread in the forums, so you're not going to teach us anything. And your intent to use it as an attack against FSTDT falls flat when said topic made it very clear that they strongly disagree with the parents. So. Much. Fail.

1/27/2012 3:46:19 PM

whatever

Ron Paul is saying "I'm not a racist. I'm really not! Honest! No way am I racist in any way at all. But...."

1/27/2012 3:49:14 PM



@J. James
Actually if you really are related to Lee then you'd know it's more than just "Racism".

It's a combination of the still lingering butthurt of losing and partly a bizarre source of pride for standing against "THE MAN" even though they were in the wrong.

Rebel flag wavers are more like those 'non-mainstream' punks who wear Che T-shirts and rant about anarchy. Just don't tell them that they'd rage hard to know waving the Rebel Flag is no different from showing of a Rebel Communist.

@Arath
He who fights monsters Arath. That sums up everything the North and Abraham Lincoln did. Lincoln did whatever he could, right or wrong, to keep the country together...
What's sad is he didn't want Reconstruction after it was over... then Booth had to ruin everything.

@#1369611
The war would have happened eventually anyway, the North would simply make it impossible diplomatically for the South to function so the South would eventually declare war on the North in a War of 1812 situation.



1/27/2012 6:24:35 PM

grippicam

Here we go again. Ron Paul is not Pro slavery, but he was against the civil rights act. Not for the reasons the author would have you believe though. The only reason he was against that act, is because it strips away property rights from the establishments owners. As much as it stinks that someone could discriminate against someone for any reason, and not let them into their establishment, if it is private property, it is protected under the constitution that the owner of that property can refuse anyone on that property they choose. He was not against the Civil Rights Act because of Race, He was against it because it is unconstitutional. Of course when you take the comments out of context, you can make it sound any way you want. The Ludwig Von Mises Institute is is a major center promoting libertarian political theory and the Austrian School of free market economics not a "Neo-Confederate organization" as the author would have you believe. And so what if the south started the war? Dr. Paul has only stated that the war could have been avoided, but does again, NOT side with slavery, but rights under the constitution. You can search for yourself, Politico even recently did a story on the fact that Ron Paul was against Jim Crow laws. “The principle of private property has been undermined, and it was started back then,” Paul said. “But they can’t twist that and say I favored Jim Crow laws.” This entire article is propaganda, and you should be ashamed. Even your lies are bad.

1/27/2012 6:31:22 PM

grippicam

Here we go again. Ron Paul is not Pro slavery, but he was against the civil rights act. Not for the reasons the author would have you believe though. The only reason he was against that act, is because it strips away property rights from the establishments owners. As much as it stinks that someone could discriminate against someone for any reason, and not let them into their establishment, if it is private property, it is protected under the constitution that the owner of that property can refuse anyone on that property they choose. He was not against the Civil Rights Act because of Race, He was against it because it is unconstitutional. Of course when you take the comments out of context, you can make it sound any way you want. The Ludwig Von Mises Institute is is a major center promoting libertarian political theory and the Austrian School of free market economics not a "Neo-Confederate organization" as the author would have you believe. And so what if the south started the war? Dr. Paul has only stated that the war could have been avoided, but does again, NOT side with slavery, but rights under the constitution. You can search for yourself, Politico even recently did a story on the fact that Ron Paul was against Jim Crow laws. “The principle of private property has been undermined, and it was started back then,” Paul said. “But they can’t twist that and say I favored Jim Crow laws.” This entire article is propaganda, and you should be ashamed. Even your lies are bad.

1/27/2012 6:34:01 PM

grippicam

Sorry about all of the double posts. I didn't realize it was tacking them onto the end.

1/27/2012 6:36:13 PM
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