Quote# 85791

[A non-Muslim points out that homosexuality is found in animals]

they look at themselves as having evolved from animals, thus, it makes sense for them to look at animal behavior as what they should emulate.

they copulate with each other without marriage, just like animals
their women run around naked, in heat, like animals
their men sit around basking in the shade while the women work, like animals
their children dont know who their fathers are, like animals
their men have no gheera, like animals

so why are you surprised that he looks to the behavior of animals to be his example?

AbuMubarak, Islamic Awakening 39 Comments [1/28/2012 9:32:56 AM]
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J. James

Clearly this person has zero understanding of animals. Some animals behave almost exactly like humans in some respects, and not in others. The more closely related they are to us(shock horror!), the more traits and behaviors we have in common, like Chimpanzees.

Animals can be monogamous, nurture their young to the nth degree, have no discernible breeding season, support one another, and, uh, I have no idea what a gheera is, but I'm sure animals have/do that too. If only humans, that is.

1/28/2012 10:00:17 AM

To be fair, I don't think the argument of homosexuality in the animal kingdom is really that helpful to any cause of gay rights. One can easily find examples of animals that eat their own young, eat their own shit, prey on the younger/older/weaker. Yeah I get that we're told all the time by fundies of various stripes how "unnatural" gay sex is but I think the better reply is to ask that person if everything he/she does is "natural" rather than recoursing to the animal kingdom.

1/28/2012 10:08:16 AM

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1/28/2012 10:08:49 AM

And, PS, I looked up "gheera" and it seems to translate to "honorable jealousy". I guess that's the same honorable jealousy that led some Afghans to beat and drown 4 female family members in Kingston, Ontario? Well good riddance to that shit then.

1/28/2012 10:12:03 AM

1/28/2012 10:15:09 AM


No, our women do not run around naked and in heat. They sit around lightly clad, in THE heat, in order not to get sunstroke. If they were emulating most animals, they would wear fur coats in all weather.

1/28/2012 11:24:42 AM


"so why are you surprised that he looks to the behavior of animals to be his example?"

Oh, I dunno...:

...you tell me.

1/28/2012 11:45:55 AM


What the hell is this. And they don't have marriage because you guys won't let them get married, asshole!

1/28/2012 12:23:57 PM

Brendan Rizzo

First, I don't know what a gheera is, and second, these are all lies.

1/28/2012 12:32:09 PM


AbuMubarak swings and misses

1/28/2012 12:32:50 PM


Be fair, no other species of the animal kingdom has ever come up with anything as stupid as Islam.

1/28/2012 12:33:38 PM

Professor Cold Heart

"their men sit around basking in the shade while the women work, like animals"

And the Islamic world is noted for its progressive attitude towards women's rights, I suppose.

1/28/2012 12:36:26 PM


Re: Bollox, yeah, good point.

1/28/2012 1:38:00 PM


gheera, which is just "jealousy" turned into a virtue is observed in animals all the time fighting over mates.

1/28/2012 2:05:24 PM


"their women run around naked, in heat, like animals"

Unfortunately, this is what too many young Arab males have been taught to believe. It's why they went sniffing around young coeds like horny male dogs* and generally making a nuisance of themselves at the college I attended. In their minds, Western girls were easy sluts, but I guess they really wanted some of that despite their outraged sensibilities.

Next week, I discuss the sick mindset revealed in the phrase, "their women."

Edit: I know "dog" is an insult in the Arab world, but if you saw the behavior, it would remind you of nothing else. Also, leave it to those crazed bastards to turn the name of the most loyal animal companion to the Human Race into an insult. Backward indeed.

1/28/2012 2:10:29 PM

Dog is kind of an insult in English too, depending on the context, to be fair. See also: bitch.

1/28/2012 3:59:22 PM

...the heck is a gheera?

"Their men sit around basking in the shade while the women work..."

Which country is this? I wanna visit :P

1/28/2012 4:13:46 PM


You're a moron.

1/28/2012 6:05:56 PM



"Dog" is a thoroughly mixed metaphor in English, as in, "you sly dog!" (compliment)

Bitch has gone far beyond the archaic "female dog" as well. Most common meaning today is, "one who bitches", as in, one who incessantly complains or nags. The quarrelsome connotation might also have been derived from the term, "bitch kitty." Mother cats are notoriously territorial, protective and temperamental.

English is full of animal references like, "hen pecked", and "chicken". Nothing I can think of garners the kind of offense in the general population that "dog" does for some Mideastern and Asian cultures except the c-word and the n-word. And those are on a whole different level from the Western point of view.

1/28/2012 10:02:41 PM


Of course there are the facts of evolution conclusively showing that the human animal evoled from earlier animals species.

P.S. How do the naked women have time to run around if they are doing all the work?

1/28/2012 10:19:16 PM


AbuMubarak thinks humans are plants?

1/28/2012 11:51:00 PM


@ those who post that they don't know what gheera is:

That is us saying a darndest thing. There is the Internet. We are posting on it. It has the Google. We're not just displaying ignorance when we say we don't know what it is. We're also saying we're too lazy to type a few keys to find out what we're talking about. We are acting like Fundies.

1/28/2012 11:58:13 PM


So, what good ole Abu is saying:

Muslims never copulate out of wedlock.
Muslim women are never naked.
Muslim women don't work.
Muslims never produce bastards.
Mustlims are driven by petty jealousies.

Correct me, but I don't see the virtues in this rant, or any truth for that matter.

Muslims, like Christians, and hundreds of other religious groups are often willing to kill people in the name of a god of love, not because "god" wants it, but because they BELIEVE "god" wants it. That's a bit blasphemous, don't you think?

1/29/2012 5:32:48 AM


By the way, "gheera" is so much an animal trait that farmers and horsemen routinely castrate all males not needed for breeding so they don't kill each other.

1/29/2012 9:15:03 AM

Doubting Thomas

My wife has never run around the house naked in heat like an animal. Not that I wouldn't want her to. But at least my children do know who their father is.

1/29/2012 9:57:56 AM

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