I'm pretty sure that if the Founders had wanted the Supreme Court to be directly accountable to the people, they wouldn't have made the position one of lifetime appointment. I'm also pretty sure that you would speak with respect if you didn't know deep down that you're wrong and that you have to overcompensate with anger.
2/15/2012 4:34:26 AM
The founders didn't trust "the people" at all. That's why the judiciary isn't elected. That's why we have the Electoral College. That's why United States Senators weren't popularly elected until the Progressive Era. That's why they set property requirements for suffrage.
2/15/2012 5:20:57 AM
Percy Q. Shunn
Please read The Constitution in full. Upon completion of that task, return to discuss your findings.
While you're in a "fact-finding" mood, read your bible, as well.
Until then, shut the fuck up.
2/15/2012 5:24:05 AM
The first three words is obviously as far as this guy got with the constitution. Don't blame him, it's a bit tl,dr.
A democracy isn't just "majority rules". That might open the way to a tyranny of the majority. There have to be minority rights as well.
2/15/2012 5:36:04 AM
The first 3 words of the Constitution are "We the people!" That means that everything else in it is irrelevant! Rarrh!
2/15/2012 5:45:10 AM
Ever heard of a little thing called "Tyranny of the Majority," Schu?
'Tis one of the reasons why Supreme Court justices have lifetime appointments.
2/15/2012 6:08:31 AM
"There are 3 branches of government that are beholden to the constitution."
And that constitution says federal judges are appointed, not elected. Wow you just got an education on the lost information you missed attending a teabagging function. What con school did you attend?
2/15/2012 6:22:31 AM
"We" includes everyone, you idiot.
2/15/2012 6:23:22 AM
"Now please google the constitution and tell us the FIRST THREE WORDS of the constitution."
I did. It reads "we the people", not "we the majority", so the original point stands, and yours doesn't.
2/15/2012 6:30:09 AM
Contrary to what they tell you at the Tea Parties, The Constitution consists of much more than three words.
2/15/2012 6:34:42 AM
What the hell is a lib school? These fuckers are so off the deep end that any question or criticism of their hair brain notions automatically means that person went to a homo-lib school controlled by the media.
2/15/2012 6:39:31 AM
Filin De Blanc
These people are just obsessed with gayness.
"Hahaha, you were attending a gay function. And I bet you were sitting in a gay seat in a gay room drinking a gay cocktail and then you drove home in your gay car. GAAAAAAAAY".
2/15/2012 6:43:36 AM
"All legislative Powers..."
Also too. The U.S. is a representative democracy or, as some would say, a republic. It was established this way so that our leaders will be tempered by the public and regional differences will be balanced out by vote. It was not intended, as this freak seems to think, to be mob rules. And it certainly doesn't mean that everyone has to suffer if a few frightened fools shout "no!"
2/15/2012 7:14:54 AM
Even though I don't know anything about your (America) constitution I still know that judges are not allowed to speak for the majority. We learnt that in Australian school while studying the decision to allow black people to vote in varying countries.
Now OP, before you go accusing me of going to a "liberal" school, 2 things.
First. We call the conservatives over here the Liberal party. And that weird Family party.
Second. My state is conservative (unfortunately).
2/15/2012 7:21:30 AM
Judges are accountable to the law, which is the Consitution. Because humans are biased, the only way that justice could ever be blind would be if judges were loyal to the Constitution above all else. The whole purpose of the Supreme Court is to disagree with Congress if Congress has done something unconstitutional, you twit. You are also a twat.
2/15/2012 7:21:39 AM
Typical conservative debate tactic. If someone disagrees with you, call them a liberal or gay. Or both.
The person who wrote the first sentence is correct. Federal judges are appointed, not elected. Not to mention Supreme Court judges.
2/15/2012 7:28:57 AM
I'm thinking he's thinking the first three[sic] words are "One Nation Under God".
2/15/2012 7:29:08 AM
"What you mean, 'We' white man?" - Tonto (attributed)
2/15/2012 8:37:55 AM
N. De Plume
The first three words are a sentence fragment and, therefore, carry no meaning when divorced from the rest of the sentence. The sentence that makes up the preamble itself is simply a statement of purpose and carries with it no legal weight. All the legal weight comes from the later sections and articles of the document. Furthermore, the legal meaning of this document has been altered, reinterpreted, clarified, and otherwise modified through over 230 years of various legal proceedings. In other words, you are basing your premise on an incomplete portion of a legally meaningless sentence.
2/15/2012 8:45:37 AM
> FIRST THREE WORDS of the constitution.
I'm starting to think that Finnish constitution is vastly superiour to the US. Because it's much clearer in its wording. Observe:
> The powers of the State in Finland are vested in the people, ...
"Ah ha! It's the same thing as in USA", the fundies say. "Power to the people!"
...but then, right afterwards, it says:
> ...who are represented by the Parliament.
And then you start to remember things like how the Parliament's job is to make the laws - not to, you know, appoint the judges and see how those laws are actually enforced. Because that's an entirely different ballgame.
And suddenly, I'm happy that elected officials are debating the laws. Because if "people" ran the courts, then we'd just end up dealing with every crime on case-by-case basis and we'd have absolutely no consistent legislation at all. If people instead decide on the laws, that's how we achieve consistency and justice.
2/15/2012 8:55:50 AM
I don't believe people like this have any notion of the history, meaning and function of the US Constitution. It's a just some kind of magic book to them. And, just like their other magic book, they've never read it; they just assume it agrees with them, because, after all, they're always right, aren't they?
2/15/2012 9:02:58 AM
Maybe you should attend a few homo functions, Bill, it might improve your understanding of the U.S. Constitution.
2/15/2012 9:07:48 AM
One, how is this fundie? Two, judges aren't meant to be accountable to the people, especially the Supreme Court. That's why they are appointed by the President and serve for life. You can make the argument that it shouldn't be that way, but you can't make the argument the founders wanted it that way, because they clearly didn't. But it's okay to disagree with what the founders wanted, that's why we have the amendment system.
2/15/2012 9:38:58 AM
Beholden to the Constitution =/= beholden to the majority.
Wow you need an education on reading comprehension. And the Constitution isn't all that keen on majority rule, either. Read how Federal government representatives are elected. Ever heard of the Electoral College?
2/15/2012 9:41:41 AM
You really aren't very bright, are you?
2/15/2012 9:44:36 AM