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I’ve been asserting that for years.

If you discard the ONE definition for marriage,
you have NO definition of marriage.

Once you cut loose society from its moorings,
you have set it adrift to define anything as right or wrong,
even things you think are repugnant now.

And if you say that society can change the definition of right and wrong as is accepted at the time,
then you have no business judging the holocaust or slavery in America.

MrB, Free Republic 67 Comments [2/15/2012 4:31:01 AM]
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#1374906

Iel

But judging is what people do!

After all, you're judging about judging!

Jesus Christmas, d'you hear yourself? Ridiculous. Claiming that society's values don't change and saying change makes ALL THE THINGS invalid.

2/15/2012 4:35:37 AM

#1374908

Wehpudicabok

I've been asserting plenty of things for years. Doesn't make them true.

The word "marriage", like every other word ever, was made up by humans and can (and will!) be changed by humans. It isn't some magic word that only conservative Christian voters get to control.

The rest of this is an absurd slippery slope which ignores the fact that there is a very simple demarcation between acceptable and unacceptable relationships, and that is informed consent.

2/15/2012 4:38:54 AM

#1374910

MuffinOfFun

"And if you say that society can change the definition of right and wrong as is accepted at the time,
then you have no business judging the holocaust or slavery in America."

But society kind of has changed the definitions of rights and wrong. Like a lot. Like slavery for instance. That used to be morally acceptable in this country. But society changed and now it isn't.

2/15/2012 5:04:39 AM

#1374911

gravematter

"And if you say that society can change the definition of right and wrong as is accepted at the time,
then you have no business judging the holocaust or slavery in America."

No, anyone can make any judgements they want. However, anyone sane would take into account the moral standards of a culture at a certain time, when making moral judgements. It's only you fundies who believe that everything is black and white. Societies redefine things constantly. Societies, like everything else, evolve. The definition of marriage can also evolve. Marriages existed before the Bible, and they exist in non-Christian cultures too. Therefore the Biblical definition of marriage is only one of many. In any case, there's more than one definition of marriage in the Bible.

2/15/2012 5:07:55 AM

#1374916

Prager

Traditional marriage has been one man and several wives (and still is in many parts of the world). Mormon polygamists are closer to traditional marriage than modern christians. However, societal standards have changed and our definition of marriage has changed along with it. As it always has! What's happening now is just another step in the ongoing evolution of marriage and society.

2/15/2012 5:15:29 AM

#1374917

Percy Q. Shunn

2/15/2012 5:16:24 AM

#1374928

whatever

Where is marriage defined?

2/15/2012 5:44:05 AM

#1374947

Celltrex

"If you discard the ONE definition for marriage,
you have NO definition of marriage. "

No

Bye

2/15/2012 6:20:57 AM

#1374956

Filin De Blanc

The definition of marriage used to include polygamy. Humans changed it once, why can't we do so again?

2/15/2012 6:25:54 AM

#1374957

Mister Spak

"If you discard the ONE definition for marriage,
you have NO definition of marriage."

So true. When we abandoned the whites only definition of marriage due to activist judges legislating from the bench in 1967 society started going downhill.

2/15/2012 6:26:51 AM

#1374961

Big Jilm

You sexist fundies love to maintain the Biblical Definition of marriage: one man and several women.

2/15/2012 6:33:45 AM

#1374969

Dr.Shrinker

Once you start down the path to the dark-side, forever will it dominate your destiny!

Yoda did it much better MrB

2/15/2012 6:43:16 AM

#1374971

SpukiKitty

Holocaust involves mass murder....lots of suffering & pain.

Slavery involves forced servitude....lots of suffering & pain.

Marriage is two or more people entering a contract out of love or binding clans together....(depending on circumstances) no suffering & pain.

Rape involves a violent assault with sex as a weapon...lots of suffering & pain.

Pedo/Hebo/Ephebophilia involve messing with kids, who can't give informed, reasonable consent (it gets a bit murky with Ephebophilia involving much older teeners, who are usually well-developed but even then, they're still immature kids with brains that haven't fully matured, even if said teen was a gorgeous young hunk or voluptuous babe...they're STILL KIDS)....more suffering & pain (let the teens sex-up each other, adults are off-limits).

Zoophilia...It's the rape of an animal, which can't consent! It's animal abuse, like neglect, beatings, torture, dogfights, cockfights, etc....suffering & pain for Bowser, Fluffy, Bessie, Bonzo, Poly, Seabiscuit, Lyle, Baloo, etc.

Look, if there is one moral truth that is constant & written in stone, it's this....IF IT MALICIOUSLY CAUSES DESTRUCTION, SUFFERING & PAIN AND/OR INVOLVES ANY FORM OF PREJUDICE, IT'S WWRRRRRROOOOONNNGGG!

Otherwise, morality is fluid & everything's a shade of grey, thank you.

2/15/2012 6:45:42 AM

#1374981

pete

They just can't get it through their thick skulls. Allowing gay people to marry each other has no effect on anyone else. Period. End of story.

2/15/2012 7:07:23 AM

#1374983

Doubting Thomas

What's wrong with saying that if something doesn't hurt anyone, then it's not wrong?

2/15/2012 7:12:44 AM

#1374984

Brendan Rizzo

What MrB's predecessor from Old Testament times would have said:

I’ve been asserting that for years.

If you discard the ONE definition for marriage, one man and as many women as he can afford,
you have NO definition of marriage.

Once you cut loose society from its moorings,
you have set it adrift to define anything as right or wrong,
even things you think are repugnant now.

And if you say that society can change the definition of right and wrong as is accepted at the time,
then you have no business judging Sodom and Gomorrah, or the slavery of our people in Egypt.

2/15/2012 7:13:06 AM

#1374986

Bad Wolf

"40 years of darkness, Dogs and cats living together!

Peter Venkhman, PhD.

2/15/2012 7:14:30 AM

#1374988

rebel

Which "ONE" definition of marriage are you using? There are quite a few in the bibles.

2/15/2012 7:15:46 AM

#1375000

Atheissimo

It used to be morally unacceptable to let women get jobs and be the main breadwinner of the household. That is no longer morally unacceptable. At what point that that magically tuen from being wrong to being right?

2/15/2012 7:33:08 AM

#1375001

Hertzyscowicz

Well, marriage did start off as an arrangement between two men, so I can't see the harm.

2/15/2012 7:33:10 AM

#1375004

Swede

We don't want to discard the definition of marriage, it's still a legal bond between two unrelated adults who intend to spend their lives together.

Society is changing the definition of right and wrong all the time. 20 years ago, only strange tree-huggers worried about the environment. Nowadays only strange egoistic, destructive people don't worry about the environment. At least in Europe...

2/15/2012 7:40:38 AM

#1375008

If you discard the ONE definition for marriage,

A legal contract between two consenting adults for the blending of properties.

you have NO definition of marriage.

No, it still remains a legal contract between two consenting adults for the blending of properties.

Except now the two consenting adults can be of the same gender.

2/15/2012 7:48:14 AM

#1375009

breakerslion

"Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules or took a few liberties with our female party guests -- we did. But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few sick, perverted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg ... isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do what you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America! Gentlemen!" - Otter Animal House

2/15/2012 7:48:29 AM

#1375017

The_L

"If you discard the ONE definition for marriage,
you have NO definition of marriage."

Absolutely right! That's why no word ever has more than one meaning--otherwise, all words would be meaningless!!

Oh wait...

2/15/2012 8:00:20 AM

#1375022

sharksandwich

This would the oft used "lubed slope argument."

2/15/2012 8:09:39 AM

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