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Homosexuality is not a civil right. Its rise almost always is accompanied, as in the Weimar Republic, with a decay of society and a collapse of its basic cinder block, the family.

Pat Buchanan, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting 67 Comments [2/24/2012 4:22:22 AM]
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Is this where savagesusie gets her ridiculous Weimar Republic history from?

2/24/2012 4:35:12 AM


I thought it was savagesusie too.

2/24/2012 4:41:33 AM


Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting?

You've got to be joking.

2/24/2012 4:48:18 AM

David B.

"Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting"

Sooo... I guess you're against it, right?

2/24/2012 5:11:01 AM

Percy Q. Shunn

Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting?

Pat Buchanon?


2/24/2012 5:21:33 AM

Table Rock

Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting? Sounds great. Call us when you have some.

2/24/2012 6:30:13 AM


What was so horrible in Germany between the wars? The fundies often bring up Weimar Republic, don't they?

Actually, many things were wrong in the Weimar Republic, but it wasn't homosexuality that caused it. It was mostly due to the complete blame for World War One, and the heavy fines they were forced to pay to the winning parties.

Where's your evidence that homosexuality was on the rise? I thought it was always around 10 percent of the population.

Here's my citation that homosexuality is a civil right:
Wikipedia: "Civil rights include the ensuring of peoples' physical integrity and safety; protection from discrimination on grounds such as physical or mental disability, gender, religion, race, national origin, age, sexual orientation, or gender identity; and individual rights such as privacy, the freedoms of thought and conscience, speech and expression, religion, the press, and movement."

2/24/2012 6:44:57 AM


Does Pat Buchanan really know anything at all about the Weimar Republic? He barely acknowledges anything outside of the US anyway, so how on earth can he be informed about a rather complicated episode of German history.

What's the problem with the Weimar Republic? It was Germany taking its first steps in democracy. Those were stumbling steps to be sure, but the only people who were really deeply opposed to the Weimar parmliament were the facists and the monarchists.

Which of those two do Buchanan and savagesusie belong to?

Maybe it's because the socialists were a part of it all. Well, better be a part of a democratic parliament than erecting something like the Soviet Union.

And who ended up squashing the Republic? Right, the Nazis! Ok, Pat, are you giving Hitler three cheers?

2/24/2012 6:45:39 AM

Homosexuality is not a civil right.

Loving another person of one's choosing is at the very core of our existence as human beings. That ol' Patty B. doesn't like whom some people choose to love is his problem, not society's.


As an unbeliever, I know I'm probably "going to hell" when I die. But that's OK. I will be able to bear the agony, the pain, the "gnashing of teeth" because Pat Buchanan, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and Billy Graham will be right beside me through it all.

2/24/2012 6:49:50 AM

Doubting Thomas

So, then, the best way to combat homosexuality is to become a nazi?

2/24/2012 6:52:31 AM



And who ended up squashing the Republic? Right, the Nazis! Ok, Pat, are you giving Hitler three cheers?

Well, Hitler WAS big on family, which Pat Buchanan seems to think automatically makes a society great.

2/24/2012 6:52:38 AM

Mister Spak

As the Nazi party rose to power, one of the things it did was to send all homos to prison.
They were followed by communists, union members and jews.

So you are right, in a totally inaccurate sort of way.

2/24/2012 6:53:09 AM


Kill yourself. Two people loving each other and wanting to live together is a family. Period.

2/24/2012 7:03:17 AM

Name one Society, one that collapsed because of homosexuality.

2/24/2012 7:08:12 AM

Comrade Potatovich

Good thing the Weimar republic elected a strong conservative leader to fix that shit, eh Pat?

2/24/2012 7:12:20 AM


> basic cinder block

Well, that's your problem right there. Cinder blocks everywhere. Nobody builds houses out of solid stone any more. There's just all this cinder block bullshit.

2/24/2012 7:30:40 AM

Brendan Rizzo

There was nothing gay about the Weimar Republic, and even if there were, correlation does not imply causation. Of course, it couldn't have been the ultra-draconian reparations penalties that the Weimar Republic had to pay after their utterly devastating loss in the war that made the Nazis popular; it was all the gays' fault. This is the most pathetic "reasoning" I have ever heard.

2/24/2012 7:31:05 AM

D Laurier

And you Pat, would gladly overturn your Weimar state for something more "family" oriented... kinda like someone else who overturned a (the) Weimar state some 70 odd years ago.

Would you build for-profit prisons for them as well?

2/24/2012 7:32:41 AM


@the posters:

Okay, to Conservafundies, homosexuality is ALWAYS on the rise unless it's being stamped on.

As for these people's fixation on the Weimar Republic, they are so piss-poor ignorant they probably think that's some variant of German for Wiener, as in dick, and is therefore a homosexual state.

Insane Troll Logic explains so much of these yahoos..

2/24/2012 7:36:32 AM


"Homosexuality is not a civil right."

True. It's not, in and of itself, a civil right. However, what rights one has or doesn't have that are based solely on their sexual orientation are civil rights issues.

"Its rise almost always is accompanied, as in the Weimar Republic, with a decay of society and a collapse of its basic cinder block, the family."

Which is why most of Europe is now an anarchic wasteland with no families anywhere to be found.

Oh, wait. It's not.

Perhaps you shouldn't make such outrageous claims that can so easily be refuted. Try something more vague next time.

2/24/2012 7:55:50 AM


"Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting"-bwahahahaha!

But seriously, crack open a history book. The Weimar Republic didn't fall due to homosexuals running amok, it fell due to vast inflation and the misery that caused among the German people. Of course, this was caused by the provisions in the Treaty of Versailles, saying that Germany had to essentially pay for World War I. (Forgive me if I messed this up at all. I'm sure this is the general idea.)

2/24/2012 8:07:49 AM


That's right. We all remember all those flamboyant Germans, jack boots clicking and feather boas flowing in the breeze.

2/24/2012 8:19:39 AM

Big Jilm

Ah such hatred for the Weimar Republic? Seems like you have something in common with another ultra-conservative group there, Pat.

Just admit it, Pat -you hate Jazz.

2/24/2012 8:20:44 AM


Maybe these guys watched the producers a few too many times?

2/24/2012 8:24:29 AM

= POPE =

You have a lot in common with that basic cinder block, Pat. Both of you belong in a hole in the ground. If I outlive you, I'll come and visit. I'll be the one holding a quart of piss and wearing dancing shoes.

2/24/2012 8:29:25 AM

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