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You need to research authors C.S. Lewis (Chronicles of Narnia) and J.R.R. Tolkien (Lord of the Rings) they were friends and atheists. They set out to prove that the Bible was fiction. In the end, they became it's biggest supporters. Maybe you should do some research. Do you know how you can trust the Bible? 25% of it is prophecy. A prophet in the Bible had to be %100 correct or he was stoned to death. Ezekiel predicted that Israel would become a nation again after they were dispersed throughout the nations-almost 2000 years after Christ, in May, 1948, that prediction came true. Jesus predicted that Jerusalem would be the catalist for all nations. Guess what, that tiny little country, shouldn't concern anyone, yet it's always forefront in the news.


Jackie Yates, Fox News 56 Comments [2/26/2012 5:04:54 AM]
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Thrutch

Lewis was a common or garden Anglican (Episcopalian) Tolkien was a Catholic. They were never atheists you ignorant twonk

Now as to prophets, it is a bit difficult to stone someone to death for being inaccurate when the prophecy is open ended.

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2/26/2012 5:40:30 AM



Has Jesus come back yet?

2/26/2012 5:41:08 AM

whatever

Ezekiel was alive in 1948?

2/26/2012 5:44:51 AM

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citation massively needed on that whole block

2/26/2012 5:54:44 AM

Atheissimo

Lewis was a lapsed Church of England type and Tolkien was a fervent Catholic. Lewis actually started his run of apologetics after being inspired by the strength of Tolkien's faith. So maybe you should do some research and stop lying for Jesus.

The Bible prophecised that Tyre would be completely destroyed. It is still a thriving port city today. Your argument is invalid.

Oooh, do you think the Israel prophecy may have been... a self fulfilling one? It was artificially created by the UN based on that prophecy found in the Bible, it didn't just spring up by itself.

How is Jerusalem a catalyst for all nations? I think that was meant to mean that Jerusalem would be a great and prosperous city that would hold sway over other countries and lead the world, rather than a hell hole so horrifying that the world's news have to be there to film attacks every day.

2/26/2012 6:03:13 AM

D Laurier

"You need to research authors C.S. Lewis (Chronicles of Narnia) and J.R.R. Tolkien (Lord of the Rings)"
Ok
"they were friends and atheists."
Not quite. They knew eachother, Tolkien was catholic. Lewis was CoE. Lewis alternated between bouts of fanatical hyper-religiousity, and spells of doubt
"They set out to prove that the Bible was fiction"
When?
Neither one ever set out to prove any such thing.
Please try again
"In the end, they became it's biggest supporters"
WRONG.
Lewis contined to make excuses for the bible's failings and shortcomings, retreating into bouts of religious sillines to do so. Tolkien was indiferent to the bible.


The rest of your post is rationalizations for the ongoing genocide in Palestine, and as such deserves only contempt

2/26/2012 6:30:46 AM

c4ndide

You lose:

http://rarebible.wordpress.com/2009/04/12/ezekiels-false-prophecy-against-tyre/

http://theskepticalreview.com/tsrmag/992tyre.html

http://davematson.edwardtbabinski.us/prophecy_tyre.html

tl;dr

The Bible said that the city of Tyre, in modern day Lebanon, would be destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar and the city would forever remain uninhabitable. While Nebuchadnezzar did attack Tyre, it never fell to him, and Tyre is one of the largest population centers in Lebanon to this day.

2/26/2012 7:00:16 AM

= POPE =

"Sherman, set the Wayback Machine to 586 BC. We're going to prevent the stoning of Ezekiel. I've provided chastity belts for both of us. Those goat shaggers aren't too particular." /Mr. Peabody

2/26/2012 7:30:06 AM



"25% of it is prophecy."

...

Then why listen if only 25%? And which 25% anyway?

2/26/2012 7:56:20 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Tolkien was never an atheist, and I don't know the circumstances of Lewis's conversion, but I bet you're politicizing it. Furthermore, you are selectively quoting the prophecies that happened millennia after the fact, ignoring all the ones that failed.

2/26/2012 7:58:40 AM

Reynardine

They were both, to my knowledge, Catholics, and although C. S. Lewis wrote allegory, Tolkien claimed to despise it "in all its forms". He drew on plenty of non-Christian sources in Lord of the Rings, especially the Nibelungleid; his Christian sources were eclectic and influenced by pre-Christian mythology. As well as the Chanson de Roland, I recognized the Slovo o Polku Igoreve, an epic whose Eastern Orthodox varnish barely concealed both ancient Slavic legend and natural magic (Yaroslava's incantation frees Igor, who escapes his captivity in the form of a wolf)

2/26/2012 8:03:29 AM

Matante

If I stabbed my neighbours in their sleep, I would make the news too, would that make me more important?

2/26/2012 8:06:33 AM

Horsefeathers

"You need to research authors C.S. Lewis (Chronicles of Narnia) and J.R.R. Tolkien (Lord of the Rings) they were friends and atheists."

As has been pointed out, neither of them were an atheist.

"They set out to prove that the Bible was fiction."

Are you sure you have the right people? You seem ... confused.

"Maybe you should do some research."

Indeed. One of us should.

"Do you know how you can trust the Bible? 25% of it is prophecy. A prophet in the Bible had to be %100 correct or he was stoned to death."

And how, exactly, would one stone a false prophet to death if their prophecies weren't to take place until centuries later?

"Ezekiel predicted that Israel would become a nation again after they were dispersed throughout the nations-almost 2000 years after Christ, in May, 1948, that prediction came true."

Aside from this not being anything but a self-fulfilling "prophecy," it illustrates my above point beautifully for me. Thanks for that.

"esus predicted that Jerusalem would be the catalist for all nations. Guess what, that tiny little country, shouldn't concern anyone, yet it's always forefront in the news."

Because it likes to fuck with its neighbors--or be fucked with by them--and then turns around and hides behind its allies, namely the U.S., which is Fundy Capital of the World and each and every one of them thinks Israel is of some sort of Biblical importance.

2/26/2012 8:09:10 AM

Papabear

Patently you haven't done a lick of research yourself.

2/26/2012 8:18:08 AM

Doubting Thomas

Anytime I read about some famous historical person who "set out to prove that the bible was fiction," my bullshit meter automatically goes off. That, and "do some research" which is just a laziness which basically says, "I know I'm right and don't have to prove it."

As far as false prophets go, perhaps you should realize that Jesus made many false predictions that his second coming and the end of the world would return in the lifetimes of the people he talked to. Read Matthew 24 in its entirety where he describes all the horrible things which would signify the end, and then where he says "This generation shall not pass from the earth 'til all these things be fulfilled."

2/26/2012 9:11:15 AM

Thinking Allowed

I seriously doubt Lewis and Tolkien set out to do what you had in mind. I'm thinking they just wanted to write good stories.

2/26/2012 9:42:09 AM

Anon

Quoted from Atheissimo:
"Oooh, do you think the Israel prophecy may have been... a self fulfilling one? It was artificially created by the UN based on that prophecy found in the Bible, it didn't just spring up by itself."
Fact.

2/26/2012 9:42:24 AM

Alleyprowler

As I recall, Tolkien was seriously disgruntled when Lewis chose the wrong kind of Christianity. Tolkien practiced a kind of take-it-for-granted Catholicism and Lewis became a fervent Anglican apologist after a period of doubt. It's laughable to call Lewis an atheist, though, since his works are still being used by apologists today.

As for the rest of this twaddle...oh, it's Fox News. Never mind.

2/26/2012 10:12:11 AM

Frank

"A prophet in the Bible had to be %100 correct or he was stoned to death. Ezekiel predicted that Israel would become a nation again after they were dispersed throughout the nations-almost 2000 years after Christ, in May, 1948, that prediction came true."

So presumably Ezekiel won't be stoned to death because he's been dead for the last 2000 years.
What an idiot you are.

2/26/2012 10:48:51 AM



"A prophet in the Bible had to be %100 correct or he was stoned to death."

Uh, so how did that work, exactly, since most of the predictions were of events that were to take place far into the future, and still haven't happened yet?

2/26/2012 12:08:40 PM

Old Viking

The so-called prophecies were intended for the times in which they were uttered. A great many were along the lines of "There will be anguish and sorrow and nations shall war one against the other, and many people will neglect to use deodorant."

2/26/2012 1:00:01 PM

Fundies Make Me Sick

"You need to research authors C.S. Lewis (Chronicles of Narnia) and J.R.R. Tolkien (Lord of the Rings). They were[...]atheists."

This statement is a lie and consequently invalidates everything else in your post. You're the one who needs to do research. But then, you work for Fox News, the single most dishonest news network in the US. I shouldn't be surprised.

2/26/2012 1:25:37 PM

Agahnim

They weren't atheists anymore than cashews are a type of bird. Lewis wrote Christian apologetics in addition to novels and Tolkien was a devout Catholic.

2/26/2012 1:39:26 PM

Renon

A self-fulfilling prophecy does not count as proof of anything. All it proves is that general statements about the future will be inevitably self-fulfilled in one manner or another. "In 500 years, people will eat lunch." That is not a rational prophecy, because it is self-fulfilling. And if a prophecy never comes true, all its adherents have to do is say that it just hasn't happened YET. The problem with prophecy is that it is dishonest from every angle.

2/26/2012 1:42:40 PM



25% of it is prophecy.

Actually, 100 percent of it is complete and utter bullshit.

2/26/2012 1:45:33 PM
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