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You need to research authors C.S. Lewis (Chronicles of Narnia) and J.R.R. Tolkien (Lord of the Rings) they were friends and atheists. They set out to prove that the Bible was fiction. In the end, they became it's biggest supporters. Maybe you should do some research. Do you know how you can trust the Bible? 25% of it is prophecy. A prophet in the Bible had to be %100 correct or he was stoned to death. Ezekiel predicted that Israel would become a nation again after they were dispersed throughout the nations-almost 2000 years after Christ, in May, 1948, that prediction came true. Jesus predicted that Jerusalem would be the catalist for all nations. Guess what, that tiny little country, shouldn't concern anyone, yet it's always forefront in the news.

Jackie Yates, Fox News 56 Comments [2/26/2012 5:04:54 AM]
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We'll keep Tolkien, but the fundies can have CS Lewis back. He does classic fundy works (being in the closet and all).

2/26/2012 3:25:19 PM


I love it when fundies start cannibalization their own kind. For some reason C.S. Lewis is the first one hardcore fundie Protestants go all Brutus on the first chance they get. It's like, yeah we don't care that you wrote seven wonderful children's books disguised as conversion tracts and all kinds of apologist non-fiction, we're still going to throw you under the bus if it gives us some imaginary points in an internet argument.

2/26/2012 7:40:28 PM


So did the prophets carry around crystal balls that could see through time to prove the "prophecies?" Because I would really love to know how the fuck you prove your prophecy is going to be right when it's supposed to not happen for thousands of years.

2/26/2012 10:36:55 PM


@lisamariefan: You know how the Bible for these people is both the source of its claims and the proof of those claims? Same with the "prophecies". The Bible is both the source of the prophecies and because the prophecies are in the Bible, that's the proof that they are true.

2/26/2012 11:27:18 PM


CS Lewis is probably the only person who both atheist and Christian fundies hate for entirely contradictory reasons.

2/27/2012 12:08:26 AM


I'm gonna have to call bullshit on the stoned to death part, because nobody can smoke that much pot.

2/27/2012 12:55:55 AM


Tolkien was an atheist? I've heard it all now.

2/27/2012 2:59:43 AM


This is what millions of people seriously believe.

2/27/2012 5:20:35 AM

Mister Spak

You need to research author C.S. lewis he was always a christian propagandist. Maybe you should do some research.

A prophet in the Koran had to be 100% correc or he would be behaded.

2/27/2012 6:06:20 AM


"A prophet in the Bible had to be 100% correct or he was stoned to death". I don't understand. Surely only future generations would know whether he was correct, by which time he would be long dead?
"In May, 1948, that prediction came true". Yes, it was made to come true by... people who had read the prophecy. It's called "self-fulfilling prophecy".
"Shouldn't concern anyone... always forefront in the news". It's always in the news because of the territorial conflict there. That's not the same as being "a catalyst for all nations".
There are similar territorial conflicts elsewhere.

2/27/2012 6:18:33 AM


ah fox news, your disregard for fact never disappoints.

2/27/2012 6:59:54 AM


C.S. Lewis did begin his career as an atheist and later converted; Tolkien was a lifelong Roman Catholic. Both men were also involved in the occult, though (Lewis admits it in his book "Surprised by Joy"), so I'd be cautious about reading their writings. Lewis science fiction trilogy is particularly influenced with occult ideas, although most of the Narnia books are ok and focus more on the Christian side of his beliefs.

2/27/2012 7:26:45 AM


@ H4L:

No, Lewis was brought up in the (anglican) Church of Ireland, but lapsed under the influence of his (atheist) tutor, later to reconvert. As for either man being 'involved in the occult', citation well and truly needed.

2/27/2012 9:18:13 AM


Lewis writes about his obession with the occult in his autobiography, "Suprised by Joy":

In his autobiography (Surprised by Joy), Lewis tells how at age 13 he abandoned his Anglican faith due to the influence of a school mistress who was involved with “Theosophy, Rosicrucianism, Spiritualism; the whole Anglo-American Occultist tradition.” And Lewis developed a “lust” for the occult that remained with him even after he returned to Anglicanism. He said,

“And that started in me something with which, on and off, I have had plenty of trouble since--the desire for the preternatural, simply as such, the passion for the Occult. Not everyone has this disease; those who have will know what I mean. I once tried to describe it in a novel. It is a spiritual lust; and like the lust of the body it has the fatal power of making everything else in the world seem uninteresting while it lasts.”[2]

2. C.S. Lewis, Surprised by Joy, Harcourt Brace, 1955, pages 58-60.

2/27/2012 6:58:59 PM


C.S. Lewis.....atheist....... -head explodes-

2/27/2012 9:04:37 PM


And "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" predicted that Voldemort would return stronger and guess what? He did in "Harry Potter and the Goblet of fire". That proves the books are totally prophetic and stuff!

2/27/2012 10:34:51 PM


@ #1378026 Why of course Jebus has returned, he's just been so busy being selfless and helping the poor and refusing to endorse wars that the fundies just haven't noticed him yet. And those who have, have decried him as some weird hippy dude. =D

2/28/2012 1:50:17 AM

Street Sharks

Contrary to what pretty much everyone here commented, Lewis was a committed atheist who later converted to Anglicism. I found nothing about Tolkien ever being an atheist, according to my (few minutes) of (google) research, he was a Catholic.

2/28/2012 2:02:23 AM

Yes it's true, the Bible has to be %100 correct.

2/28/2012 2:38:43 AM


@ H4L:

Well, I didn't know that. (Although the things he described are hardly Aleister Crowley). I don't think JRR Tolkien could ever have been described as an occultist, though. Do you have a cite for that?

2/28/2012 4:32:14 AM


Ya know, it's hard to stone a guy to death for inaccurately prediction something that's not going to happen for generations.

Also, you lie. Ezekiel said no such thing for a lot of very good reasons, including not having those friggin' calendrical references to even say that with.

...also, Jerusalem became a politically relevant city because it's important to three major world religions. That doesn't prove anything except people make a big fuss about religion. Self-fulfilling prophecy and all that.

Lewis and Tolkien were friends, did experience shifts in their religious opinions over their lifetimes, did not set out to 'disprove the Bible' because that is stupid.

2/28/2012 4:41:31 PM


The only reason Israel is a nation now is because White, Christian people wanted to act out a holy war in the middle east.

2/29/2012 7:26:48 AM

Let me see. Lewis was AGNOSTIC and Tolkien CATHOLIC all along. At least do a little research.

3/4/2012 10:18:39 AM


"In the end, they became it's biggest supporters"

Not in any way you people support. Their books do not promote it and in their lives they never encouraged the blind acceptance of the religion or , even moreso, the church.
Thinkers, especially fiction writters, encourage differing viewpoints and other possibilities.

3/7/2012 11:49:30 AM


"A prophet in the Bible had to be %100 correct or he was stoned to death"

I don't think any Biblical prophet made any prediction that could occur (period) or would by their lifetime.

That's why fundie shit is so hypocritical. Pat Robertson (among many others in fundieland) have made One, Two or five year old predictions that have failed. Stone 'em, stone them now before they wreak more fear and stupidity.

3/7/2012 11:54:22 AM

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