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Mudak

You know, they call it "civics" because of the relationship to the word "civil.". Demonizing those with whom you disagree accomplishes nothing.

And while there are stupid people on both sides of the aisle, I'll take those not explicitly beholden to mythologies.

fmitchell

"dimocrats" ... I see what you did there.

And there's nothing more American than a one-party radical right-wing theocracy, am I right? Although I suppose you could form two parties from the Republican party, the Neo-Victorians and the Neo-Puritans. Or maybe the Plutocrats and Theocrats.

loki

I always thought that the US was a one party state. You have Republicans and Republicans who call them selfs democrats ;)

godless heathen

In other words "Vote fascist for another glorious decade of total law enforcement" am I right?

Amadan

In a way, it would be fun to watch what would happen if the Rethugs had a monopoly.

I'd give it 3 weeks before the most godawful civil war broke out over some doctrinal quibble over whether tampons should be baptised (retrospectively, at least in Utah)

N. De Plume

There wouldn’t be very many politicians of any flavor left with a strictly enforced anti-lying law.

Mister Spak

What we REALLY need, is a law (under penalty of death) that keeps ALL repooplicans out of politics. Let them talk to their invisible man, chase demons out of their neighborhood or what ever, but let the ADULTS run the state/country. Or maybe we could just pass a law (with the same penalty) for lying, and that would clean them out pretty quickly too.

Stupid is the sacrament of the radical right wing religion of conservatism.

At least this bastard is intellectually consistent - most of them cry "small government" whilst demanding regulation of people's private lives.

Ahh silver linings.

Swede

I'm with loki on this one.

How can a center-right-wing ideology be presented as radical left-wing?
It's almost as stupid as calling our Social Democrats radical right-wing.
Or is it opposite day again?

Brendan Rizzo

And that is the way to totalitarianism. They are now completely open about their dictatorial ambitions. This scares me.

@ Swede:

That's what I don't get. The left-wing in the US is almost literally nonexistent. There are actually more fascist MPs in Europe than there are socialist representatives in Congress. I'm really, really considering moving away because I cannot tolerate it anymore. Thing is, if I do that, it'll just be easier for folks like the OP to take over (assuming you don't subscribe to the belief that they've taken over already). The gulf between us and you may as well be infinite. Right now, all I want is for America to become just like the rest of the West, and I do not care what has to occur to make that happen. You have no idea how much I envy you in particular, Swede, considering where your screen name says you come from.

Is it too much to ask not to be a laughingstock? How many times must Democrats be consecutively elected before the rest of you let us forget that Bush was elected twice? Four? Five? Six? Seven? The only way I can see that happening is if the Republican party collapses. I really hope it does.

Of course, that's as unlikely as the invisible pink unicorn descending from the heavens and chastising humanity. The USA has the least efficient and least reliable electoral system ever conceived, and despite the fact that it is well-known that every other country in the entire free world uses proportional representation and instant runoff voting, Americans absolutely refuse to partake in any electoral reform, just as they hate socialism with every fiber of their being, oblivious to the fact that much of Western Europe is socialist. I don't know if every liberal in America combined can stop its inexorable slide to fascism and theocracy. I hate my US citizenship so much.

So just remember, non-American commenters, that no matter how stupid your politicians get, you have no right to complain. It could be far worse. At least none of your politicians spout fundamentalist and plutocratic rhetoric and get away with it. Fox News quite literally could not exist anywhere but the United States. Hell, most of your people are atheists, at least de facto.

I guess this is a roundabout and long-winded way of saying that I really, really, REALLY want to live in Europe. Just once I'd like to live in a country which has the moral high ground. Sweden and Switzerland have not been in any wars for almost 200 years. Every single country in Europe opposed the war in Iraq since Day 1; the only reason there are British soldiers there is because the US pretty much bullied them, and Americans STILL hate the French for not joining. In the Netherlands, people who have drug problems are given help; they aren't thrown in jail for years. Also, has anybody here EVER heard of violent gang wars happening in slums in European cities, or even Canadian cities? I certainly have not, and I'm pretty darn sure that's not because the American news doesn't cover that part of the world. In every civilized country except the United States, without fail, people who are sick or seriously injured don't have to pay exorbitant medical bills in order to save their own lives, and not even the richest 1% of non-American society wants to make that happen. In fact, I will even argue that the US isn't a civilized country, on account of there being no universal healthcare, an appalling amount of crime and violence, a government which is corrupt to its very core, a love of war and bigotry, and pervasive demonization of all forward-thinkers. I really don't think the US should be classed as First World anymore. Every country on Earth has large segments of society which hate its guts. There is not a single country, excepting the United States, whose people love the United States unconditionally. Everyone else in THE WORLD sees how barbaric and savage we are.

And I hate it. I really do. This situation is intolerable, but may well not change in my lifetime. Can anyone tell me the easiest way to emigrate?

dionysus

Yeah! Kill everyone that disagrees with me! Stomp out all of their rights and give them absolutely no representation!

And yet the right wing has the gall to compare LIBERALS to the Nazis.

Abortion is the sacrament of the radical left wing religion of liberalism.

Fuck you! You want to fucking MASS-MURDER fully-grown people who have thoughts, feelings, friends, family, etc. You do NOT get to pretend to take the moral high ground you fucking hypocritical, insane dictator! You represent everything that's wrong in the world!

If we passed the death penalty for lying, there wouldn't be a Republican politician left alive, and FOX News and 99% of the AM radio dial would be empty, dead air.

"Dimocrats are just too stupid to be in politics, making decisions for others".

Hey George, maybe you should Google the latest in a string of studies that shows that the lower a person's IQ, the more likely he is to be a conservative. Also the study of known serial killers which happened to show that the majority of them (80%, if I recall correctly) identify themselves as conservatives/Republicans. Just sayin'.

His4Life

That would basically make the U.S. a one-party state, like Communist China. As much as I loath the Democrats' godless policies, I've yet to see evidence that the mainstream Republicans are much better. By this point, most of the candidates I respected have been weeded out, and it looks like it's going to be Gingrich, Santorum or Romney. Yippee?

@ His4Life

I'm sure Jesus would be surprised to see someone who identified him/herself as "His" refer to the party which fights against the so-called conservatives for the policies and programs that keep the poor, the disabled and the elderly alive and generally advocates for the lower, less fortunate classes as "Godless".

Doubting Thomas

Our government is bad enough under a two party system. A one party system won't make things any better. What do they tend to call one party systems? Oh, right, totalitarian.

Be careful about that lying law, because you have people like Newt Gingrich claiming that he as Speaker of the House was responsible for four straight years of balanced budgets, when he only held that post for two years.

navelgazer

Dear George,

Not really sure how democracy works, are you?

Why do you hate America?

Horsefeathers

"Face it, what we REALLY need, is a law (under penalty of death) that keeps ALL dimocrats out of politics."

Why, that's brilliant! Why didn't anyone think of such a system before? All you have to do is ban any political party that you don't agree with (i.e., all of them) and you'll be in perpetual power!

Oh, wait. Others have already done that. Typically they're called totalitarian societies, one party states, or simply "hell on Earth" by everyone who doesn't live there. Those who do live there tend to call it paradise lest they be put to death for disagreeing with the State.

"Let them write poetry, act, sing or what ever, but let the ADULTS run the state/country."

I can only assume you're referring to the Republicans. You know, the ones who were in charge for eight years, started two wars, drove the economy into the ground by deregulating every fucking thing, failed to kill bin Laden, and were in general asleep at the wheel. The very same Republicans who then handed it all off to the next President and immediately started blaming him for the state of everything and how he had not only let the country go to hell but hadn't done a damn thing to fix it. They were doing that in his first week of the Presidency, mind you.

"Or maybe we could just pass a law (with the same penalty) for lying, and that would clean them out pretty quickly too."

Not only would this prevent politics in general, the entire Republican party would be in violation of it both politically and personally.

"Dimocrats are just too stupid to be in politics, making decisions for others."

See my above comments about the Republican's previous eight fucking year run.

"Abortion is the sacrament of the radical left wing religion of liberalism."

Eh? Where the hell did that come from?

J. James

@His4Life

"Godless" Democrats?

Godless, like the Constitution is? Sign me up. I don't want America to turn into a Theocracy like Iran or Saudi Arabia. No fucking thank you. I'll stick to mom, baseball and apple pie. Those and Separation are the real American values, despite what those fucking retards lie to you about "history" with this nonexistent "Christian nation founded on biblical principles" bullshit.

Really, His4Life, I should apologize. I really don't blame you personally for being so conservative and Jesus-y. I really don't. I was just like you when I was a kid and young teenager. YOU are the victim in this scenario. You're being misled, lied to and manipulated by right-wing reactionaries. It's gotten so bad that no one even bothers to call them on their nonsense anymore. "Lies repeated often enough become the truth" and all that. So I'm sorry, we all should probably treat you a bit better, not just myself, in order to help you see reason.

P.S. the majority of Democrats are Christians.

Phoenix

What the hell is a dimocrat?

breakerslion

My father risked his life to clean garbage like your manipulators out of Germany. Stop being a good little ditto-head and use your brain for once.

You wouldn't know a real left wing party if it bit you in the ass. Here's a clue: when they call your leaders a bunch of crooks, they won't apologize for it. Consume, corporate slave!

Shiri

@Brendan Rizzo: I sympathise with most of your rant, but it's important not to lose perspective on the flaws in Europe. There ARE urban riots and gang violence in European cities (all over France through the mid-2000s springs to mind). There are lunatic types like Breivik in Norway that are roughly analogous to some parts of the American right. Corruption is as widespread as ever, and inequality is still a problem, if not to the same degree.

I don't want to discourage you or anything, but while no one's gonna tell you the US isn't worse than basically the whole of Western Europe by a huge margin, emmigrating has MANY associated problems and difficulties and you might benefit from researching our situation in extremely close detail before investing much in the idea. Particularly if you were considering Britain, which is both the easiest for Americans to deal with and also one of the worse ones compared to areas like Germany, Switzerland or Scandinavia.

Obon: "write poetry, act, sing"? What is this about? Is this one of those things where they confuse "liberals" with "liberal arts"?

John

Face it, what we REALLY need, is a law (under penalty of death) that keeps ALL dimocrats out of politics.

Heck, why stop with that? How about a law that keeps everyone but ME out of politics - you know, like they have in North Korea or other great countries like that.

Passerby

If you passed a law against stupidity there would be no functional government at all, certainly none a reactionary simpleton like you would be able to stomach.

Papabear

Right, a democracy thrives on the murder of those with views other than those of right-wing morons.

The death penalty for lying? Are you forgeting the I-lie-like-a-carpet GWB administration?