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I have always said Faith and Reason can never be separated. Atheists say it has to be-—but they live by faith in their failed system, also, but unlike Christians who gladly state their faith....Atheists lie and say “faith” is “irrational” although their lives are lived on faith of sick, twisted ideas such as Marxism.

All postmodernist’s thinking is irrational—that you can compartmentalize human beings and take away the moral nature from man (Stalin’s idea of “separation of church and state”).

You can not have a complete human being—a flourishing one by removing either the rational element or the moral one. That is what constitutes the Nature of Man. Faith and Reason are designed to function together in all civil societies. Zero wants “Lord of the Flies”....godless world so they can create a termite colony of people.

Remove either faith or reason and you have a disaster (Libertarians need to wise up). It is why the USA was only possible during the window of The Age of Reason when God was not yet obliterated by the Marxists and Austins and Benthams.

As for Mormonism—there is no rational thinking involved in that ideology—which is so bizarre you have to wonder if Romney is insane. It is why I can’t vote for him—I guess you can say it is because of his religion, when I think of it as being about his rational abilities.

savagesusie, Free Republic 49 Comments [3/1/2012 4:36:55 AM]
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Pagan4evs

Ugh, it's savagesusie.

3/1/2012 4:56:19 AM

Doctor Whom

You can not have a complete human being—a flourishing one by removing either the rational element or the moral one.

Faith != morality.

As for Mormonism—there is no rational thinking involved in that ideology—which is so bizarre you have to wonder if Romney is insane.

Why do other people believe such silly things?

3/1/2012 5:11:15 AM

Eniliad

Many Marxists were atheist, but that doesn't make all atheists Marxists. If you recall geometry class, all squares are rectangles but not all-

Actually, you probably don't remember geometry class. Hmm... ah! All apples are fruits, but not all- no, fruits are gay. Let's see... what would you understand...

I'm a person, but not all pe- oh no wait, I'm a gay atheist, you wouldn't understand the concept of me being a person...

Pencils write. Pens write. Both write! But not all things that write are pencils. There. You're at least literate, you should be able to understand that...

3/1/2012 5:13:54 AM

Bollox

As for Mormonism—there is no rational thinking involved in that ideology—which is so bizarre you have to wonder if Romney is insane. It is why I can’t vote for him—I guess you can say it is because of his religion, when I think of it as being about his rational abilities.

Fuck it, can't you get an irony meter to last five minutes around here?

3/1/2012 5:34:12 AM

Zimmer

Saw 'Marxism' being used way out of context, and I knew it was savagesusie.

3/1/2012 5:52:51 AM

Brendan Rizzo

This quote sounds familiar. I know Susie has attributed separation of church and state to Stalin before... even though it was first elucidated by none other than Jefferson. Literally the only reason Stalin opressed the Church in the USSR was because Christianity conflicts with his cult of personality. It has nothing to do with his OWN beliefs.

3/1/2012 5:58:54 AM

Reynardine

Ah, Rabbit, it's only March 1, and already the the site is filling up with mindsmegma. It's so sad, isn't it?

3/1/2012 6:00:03 AM

checkmate

Stalin’s idea of “separation of church and state”


3/1/2012 6:43:50 AM

dionysus

I have always said Faith and Reason can never be separated.

Not only can they be separated, they are complete opposites. One uses logic, evidence, self-correction, testing, and healthy skepticism the other is simply believing a claim regardless of or even in spite of the evidence.

Atheists lie and say “faith” is “irrational” although their lives are lived on faith of sick, twisted ideas such as Marxism.

Actually, I don't give a shit about Marxism. Karl Marx had some insightful observations but the system he came up with has been an absolute disaster when implemented anywhere. Mostly this is because humans (unfortunately) can't be trusted with too much power.

Stalin’s idea of “separation of church and state”

That was the founding fathers' idea, not Stalin's. They came a good 200 years before Stalin. Why do you hate the founding fathers?

Remove either faith or reason and you have a disaster

Actually, Japan and Swededn are pretty high up there in terms of atheistic population and most people perform religious rituals purely out of tradition or because they're aesthetically pleasing yet their countries haven't fallen apart.

As for Mormonism—there is no rational thinking involved in that ideology—which is so bizarre you have to wonder if Romney is insane.

Mormonism is crazy, yes, but you have no room to talk. You believe in the Flood and the Garden of Eden as literal, historical events. I'll take magic underwear over your brand of insanity any day.

3/1/2012 6:56:28 AM

Mister Spak

" Atheists say it has to be-—but they live by faith in their failed system,"

This is the same "failed" system that invented the internet that you use to post your failures.

"although their lives are lived on faith of sick, twisted ideas such as Marxism. "

Stalin went to a seminary. Not surprising he went on to kill millions with his sick twisted ideas.


"As for Mormonism—there is no rational thinking involved in that ideology—which is so bizarre you have to wonder if Romney is insane."

Are you starting to understand what you look like to Americans?

3/1/2012 6:58:46 AM

Doubting Thomas

Faith and reason can't be separated? I never knew they were even connected, seeing as how they're opposites.

3/1/2012 7:13:44 AM

jesus-face tortilla

the Benthams? wow, she's actually achieved a twisted kind of erudition.

3/1/2012 7:17:59 AM

Skatepunk

I'm starting to think that either savagesusie is the greatest troll in the world, or she seriously needs help.

Romney is the only person running on the GOP ticket that doesn't make me fear for America.

Well... Ron Paul too, but he's too incompetent to gain votes.

3/1/2012 8:04:23 AM

Agahnim

Savagedoozy, I suggest not claiming to know about stuff you actually don't. And separation of church and state wasn't Stalin's idea, dumbass, because he hadn't even been born. Do you know who wrote a lot about it? Thomas Jefferson. He even came up with the term to briefly summarize the establishment clause in the first amendment. The other founders had absolutely no problem with it.

3/1/2012 8:35:51 AM



what is strange about a guy gtting religious texts on gold tablets from an angel ?

try Xenu, volcanos and atom bombs. Thats wierd.



3/1/2012 8:53:25 AM

Anon-e-moose

@Doctor Whom

"You can not have a complete human being—a flourishing one by removing either the rational element or the moral one.

Faith != morality."

Your argument - and your 'Pro-Life' campaign - is invalid, savagesusie.

Rail against we who are Pro-Choice, you must hate your God - the basis of all 'Morality' too.

Funny then, that there isn't word one in condemnation of paedophilia in the Bible. And definitely not in a 'Funny-ha-ha' way, neither.

Guess that's why so many of your precious Repubicans/GOP follow that line of 'Morality' as well.

Oh, we Atheists can separate Reason from 'Faith'. If the 'Faith' of your precious Religious Right Repubicans/GOP allows just one example of the above to exist, then Reason annihilates 'Faith' - with it's own more than infinitely superior Humanist Morality:

We wouldn't like to be killed/harmed in any way, nor have our property stolen/damaged, so why should we do the same to others?

See? Reason without 'Faith'. I love the smell of annihilated arguments in the morning. Smells like... victory.

3/1/2012 9:20:23 AM

Pule Thamex

Sounds as though a serious point is being made. Until you remind yourself that God is merely the wish-fulfillment fantasy figure of every wannabe camel and woman herder whose every beardy word should be obeyed both within and without the confines of his tent. An old dream indeed, but one that still has the power to enchant, even now.

3/1/2012 9:20:45 AM

Prager

But susie, you are living proof that it is possible to live life without the benefit of reason. But, the result is a frothing-at-the-mouth lunatic.

3/1/2012 9:58:12 AM



Benthams? Like...Jeremy Bentham? He was pro-seperation of church and state, so I guess I understand why a fundy wouldn't like him, but this is the first anti-Jeremy Bentham post I've ever seen.

3/1/2012 10:40:37 AM

farpadokly

Atheists are not necessarily "left", they can be politically conservative. Although I do think that secularism has political implications which lead one toward greater egalitarianism.
Marx: Right about some things, wrong about a whole lot of other things. Nothing inherently sick or twisted about him.
Separation of church and state: Not Stalin's idea. Actually a liberal enlightenment idea.
Faith (believing things on insufficient evidence) is not compatible with reason, and not a useful element in morality.
This idea was prevalent even in the eighteenth century, so it's strange to see susie invoking the Age of Reason. Often it was expressed in deism, but sometimes it was expressed in out and out atheism. (Bentham was born in 1748, Tom Paine in 1737, some form of almost atheist-like deism was common in that generation).
To sum up: The usual confusion between separate and distinct ideas by ss. Here she confuses: Classical liberalism, utilitarianism, Marxism, and post-modernism. I'm surprised that there's no mention of fascism and homosexuality in the mix.


3/1/2012 10:49:29 AM

rw23

Savagesusie makes less and less sense day by day. But I do love the irony in the final paragraph.

3/1/2012 11:13:36 AM

Osiris

Now you guys know what it's like to be us, looking at you.

3/1/2012 11:54:06 AM

breakerslion

Aaaaah! I barely have time to get thirsty when another dipper-full of conflated Kool-Aid gets served up by savagesusie.

3/1/2012 11:55:29 AM

nazani14

Not only are Faith and Reason separated, Faith won't pay his child support and lies to everyone that Reason "turned the kid against him." But it's OK - Reason's girlfriend Science is helping to pay the bills.

3/1/2012 12:20:34 PM

Often Partisan

"Benthams."

Fundies slagging off Jeremy Bentham is a new one on me.

"lived on faith of sick, twisted ideas such as Marxism."

As someone who has actually read some of the works of Karl Marx...personally I find that there is much more humanism in his works than in the Bible. Marx was talking about the brutal exploitation of nineteenth century capitalism, and how to bring an end to that appropriation. He was attempting to liberate the working class from the awful conditions they lived in and the fact that capitalists made fortunes whereas they were barely being kept alive...oversimplyfying a bit of course, and there's different interpretations, but still...

3/1/2012 12:22:55 PM
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