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Does this mean you are willing to alow wiccans to teach their philosophy in schools?
Didn't think so
3/2/2012 4:57:26 AM
Okay, Rick, I'll help you. That's not what it means. People of faith can be in public office as much as people vote for them. They just can't try to pass laws based on their religion.
3/2/2012 5:02:33 AM
I'll say it again, do you want the state to control the church, or the church to control the state? And which church, exactly?
3/2/2012 5:12:00 AM
*facepalm* Just when you thought no-one in the political arena could beat the stupidity of GWB...
3/2/2012 5:18:53 AM
There are lots of places with "Gahd" in government, like Northern Ireland, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Iran, so why doesn't he go there?
3/2/2012 5:23:17 AM
Sure the church can have a say and certainly the faithful can make decisions based on their religious convictions. This is hardly under threat and Santorum knows it. This is evident in the current GOP canidates who are all ignoring important economic issues and using these debates to instead to push Christian agendas.
The only resistance to the level of Theocratic agendas being expressed are equal to the amount being pushed. Only full on Fundie nuts want to live under a theocracy, this is unfortunately about one third of the Republican base now.
3/2/2012 5:33:12 AM
Sadly I can't see an America where the separation of church and state are absolute either. The fundies always manage to stick an oar into the works of governmenet somewhere along the line, like the sex education bill in Utah for example.
3/2/2012 5:45:56 AM
'To say that people of faith have no role in the public square?'
Nobody is saying that, but that's not what you mean, is it? People of faith have just as much right as anybody else to a role in the public sphere, but you want Christianity to have a privileged position in which the Church is enshrined in law.
You really want religion to influence public policy? Fine. Put your money where your mouth is and let Islamic Clerics lead schools in prayer, let Wiccans teach kids about their faith in religious education classes, let states accept Sharia as an alternative to civil law and don't bat an eyelid when the President celebrates Hindu festivals instead of Christian ones.
In my native UK we don't have the Church/State separation. Every time a local council gives grant money to a Muslim organisation to celebrate Eid or throws a Diwali party or when the government allows Sharia to be used alongside secular law in Civil disputes (as Jewish law has done for decades), you Christian types throw a hissy fit (along with your newspaper, The Daily Express)
Until you accept that ALL religions get a look-in when you cease to separate church and state, nobody is going to believe that you don't just want a Christian theocracy.
3/2/2012 5:54:57 AM
Rick, you keep saying "the" where you mean "my", as in "the church."
You might want to watch that.
3/2/2012 5:57:48 AM
This is a perfect example of the use of religion to manipulate the populace. This is why the Founders went to such effort to secularise the government and celebrate the varied cultural histories of Americans. And here comes Ricky and the GOP, tearing down that proud edifice brick by brick, cheered on by the fools who believe in their terrible lie. If he wins, you guys are fucked.
3/2/2012 6:08:01 AM
Jezebel's Evil Sister
..."You bet that makes me want to throw up."
He's just oozing with charm, or something, from every orifice.
3/2/2012 6:15:18 AM
Theocracy is a load of santorum.
3/2/2012 6:16:50 AM
"I don't believe in an America where the separation of church and state are absolute..."
Then move to a country where there is no separation. Iran and Saudi Arabia come to mind.
3/2/2012 6:21:06 AM
*People* of faith have a role in the public square. *Faith* itself does not. Nor do the organizations that promote those faiths, nor government representatives who use their position to favor one faith over another.
Oh, and we *totally* need a high school to hang a Muslim, Hindu, or Sikh prayer in their hallway, just to watch theocrats expose themselves as the whitened sepulchres we suspect they are.
3/2/2012 6:21:55 AM
The idea that the church can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our country.
Fine. Tell that to the Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Satanists, Wiccans (and Klingons!) living in America. Welcome them to the political table with open arms too.
Oh, they're "icky" just because they don't worship the same god(s) as you do. Yeah, figured as much.
3/2/2012 6:53:54 AM
Santorum the theocrat. Why am I not surprised?
...Holy shit, this man's running for President?! We're doomed. We are so doomed. I weep for the future.
Anywhere else but the USA, if Santorum said what he just said, he may as well have dropped out of the race then and there. But in the USA, sadly, people will vote for him even more because he said this.
I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY ANYMORE!
3/2/2012 6:56:04 AM
It's quite clear from the constitution that what the people who wrote it wanted to avoid was a European-style established state church with its attendant power, and the tyranny of priestly castes and overly powerful church authorities which they knew very well had oppressed free thought and held back progress in Europe for centuries.
Santorum does not grasp this. He sounds like he would've been more comfortable in fascist Spain or somewhere where the church and state are integrated.
3/2/2012 6:56:30 AM
It's give and take, Ricky. If the church is to have influence into the operations of the state, the state ought to have influence into the operations of the church.
Which church, by the way? The Anglican Church perhaps, or the Mormon Church.
3/2/2012 7:03:14 AM
what faith is included; just catholic or mulim, jews, wiccans, buddhists too?
3/2/2012 7:11:16 AM
Santorum makes me want to throw up. Of course it's only his church that he wants involved with government. His voter base are the same people who were calling for banning construction of the "ground zero mosque." And I'm sure he doesn't want the government telling his church what to do.
3/2/2012 7:11:36 AM
Well it says it right there in the constitution and I'm pretty sure that's absolute.
3/2/2012 7:19:10 AM
Ricky you're a catholic. You think the protestant majority would let you have that much control in this country?
3/2/2012 7:20:38 AM
Fine. Just wait until an equally theocratic evangelical gets into office and bans prayer to the virgin Mary. Not that you'll learn any lesson from it, but you'll definitely get your just deserts. If Santorum gets into office I predict another Civil War, not between religious and non-religious people (as there's not many non-religious people) but among the major denominations of Christianity in the US. As I read in a well-written article on CNN, once they have defeated their combined "enemy" of secular law they will start to notice their doctrinal differences and fight for control of the theocracy. THAT is why separation of church and state is so important: it protects ALL denominations and ALL religions from being controlled by another one and thus allows all to coexist by not favoring any single one. Yet people like Santorum are trying to kick down the very edifice that has protected Catholics from Protestants (historically Catholics were mistreated by Protestants in the US) and brought peace to what was once a very bloody sectarian rivalry.
3/2/2012 7:21:40 AM
To say that people of faith have no role in the public square?
Of course they do. There are few if any atheists in elected posts in the US. But there's a difference between saying "people of faith should have a role in government" and saying "government should have a role in peoples' faith". Nobody has a problem with the President praying. They have a problem with the President telling someone else to pray.
3/2/2012 7:36:16 AM
Does anybody remember what hppened to the Wicked Witch of the West?
How on earth can Ricky-Dicky Santorum ever swear an oath on the Bible to uphold the constitution when entering a public office?
He openly contradicts the consitution of the US every time he opens his stupid mouth.
I wonder why he didn't melt away like the witch when he was sworn into the Senate.
3/2/2012 7:37:04 AM
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