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There were never school shootings when prayer was in school. Nothing even remotely like it. But now, for the most part, God has been thrown out of our public schools, and they have had to install the metal detector instead. Even that is not fail-proof ... I find it ironic that yesterday’s shooting would occur in the shadow of the 50th anniversary of the infamous school prayer decision. In June 1962, in Engel v. Vitale, the Supreme Court ruled that schools could not officially participate in prayer.

Specifically, the High Court banned this seemingly innocuous prayer: "Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon Thee, and we beg Thy blessing upon us, our parents, our teachers and our country."

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As long as our schools don’t have a prayer, I suppose some of them need to have a sign installed out in front: Enter at your own risk.

Jerry Newcombe, Crosswalk 49 Comments [3/6/2012 4:17:32 AM]
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SpukiKitty

Uh, read this! Go to the section, "History Of School Shootings In The United States", everybody was killing everybody!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#1700s


3/6/2012 5:00:25 AM

SpukiKitty


3/6/2012 5:01:29 AM

SpukiKitty


3/6/2012 5:02:58 AM

SpukiKitty


3/6/2012 5:04:16 AM

SpukiKitty


3/6/2012 5:04:52 AM

Bollox

Pwned by Wikipedia.

3/6/2012 5:07:48 AM

SpukiKitty

Thanks. I tried COPY/PASTE of the article but THIS DANG SITE MAKES IT NEAR IMPOSIBLE!

So...I shared the link.

Newcombe has been squashed! Booyah!

3/6/2012 5:10:06 AM

Titania

Bullshit! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

3/6/2012 5:16:29 AM

Peter Fitzinya

Why is your "god" such a pussy?

3/6/2012 5:30:58 AM

D Laurier

"There were never school shootings when prayer was in school."
Yes actualy... there were..

May 18, 1927: Bath, Michigan School treasurer Andrew Kehoe, after killing his wife and destroying his house and farm, blew up the Bath Consolidated School, killing 38 people, mostly children.

3/6/2012 5:31:41 AM

Philbert McAdamia

My school had this sign over the entrance;

"All hope abandon, ye who enter here"

3/6/2012 5:36:24 AM

Bollox

@ Philbert:

Ah, Dante High. I think I was there too.

3/6/2012 5:39:02 AM

Mister Spak

No, it started before then, in 1953 when we let niggers into public school.

Right after that we outlawed prayer in public school. And a student caught praying was sent to siberia and forced to have gay sex, followed by an abortion.

3/6/2012 5:58:42 AM

Bad Wolf

Did you ever notice that around 90% of the modern school shootings tend to be in the "Bible Belt"?

Coincidence???

3/6/2012 6:13:16 AM

Gawd


He says that D. James Kennedy is his former paster, so it's no surprise that facts are not important to him.

3/6/2012 6:26:19 AM

Reynardine

They never had shootings when they didn't have guns in school. Ban guns, and you might have a prayer.

3/6/2012 6:30:54 AM

Nowonmai

Let me guess, Jerry. You flunked civics and US history, didn't you?

3/6/2012 6:34:32 AM

Canadiest

"Did you ever notice that around 90% of the modern school shootings tend to be in the "Bible Belt"?"

Yep, that's why they keep up this lie about shootings, teenage pregnancies or anything bad all happening after school prayer was removed. They know, many of them anyway, that it's nonsense and is in fact happening more in highly religious areas and in schools that still, against rulings, promote religion in the classroom.

How many times have we heard the "God and Guns" slogans from the south? How many of the Bible Belters actually think guns are a "God given right"? Fundies are always praising the power of force, superior firepower as a solution to liberal or progressive concepts.

3/6/2012 6:52:33 AM

dionysus

Okay, let's have mandatory prayer: O great Ra, please guide us with your shining light! And keep us awake during class and let not the rain fall while we are on recess! Amun.

3/6/2012 7:01:45 AM

Swede

So that's why we have so many school shootings in Sweden; the lack of prayers in school!
Oh wait, we haven't had a single school shooting to date.
It could perhaps have something to do with the lack of guns available to kids. Only policemen and hunters are allowed to have guns, and they should be locked away in a gun safe, unloaded, when not in use.
Europe has had the same number of school shotings (17, according to Wikpedia) during the latest hundred years, as the US of A had during the 1950s.

3/6/2012 7:02:16 AM

Doubting Thomas

SpukiKitty beat me to it. Google "school shootings" and see how many of them happened prior to 1963. You'll be surprised.

And the idea that forcing kids to pray will make the schools full of sunshine and rainbows is completely insane. You know what? Kids can already pray in school if they want. If the schools are so rotten because kids aren't praying, it's not because they're not allowed to.

3/6/2012 7:27:20 AM

John

Fundie Beliefs # 9: The Value of Belief and Prayer

Prayers are especially effective when recited in unison in public school classrooms. Praying at home before or after school doesn’t have the same effect, which is why it’s important for good Christians to get the public school prayer ban lifted and reinstitute the saying of the Lord’s Prayer*. It’s well known that if Bible-believing Christians force the children of godless, latte-sipping liberals to recite the Protestant "our Father" in unison every morning it’ll teach them not to grow up into queers, vegetarians or Democrats.

[size=9]* The King James Protestant version, of course. Only a Satan-loving papist leaves out the "for thine is the kingdom …" part.[/size]

3/6/2012 7:27:54 AM

Horsefeathers

"There were never school shootings when prayer was in school. Nothing even remotely like it."

Gas prices were lower too. And the ozone layer was in better shape. Nobody yammered on endlessly on their cellphones while they should have been doing something else, either. Kids also went outside and played instead of spending their time on the internet.

Obviously all of these things were caused because prayer was removed from school, even though it hasn't actually been despite people like you claiming it has.

"But now, for the most part, God has been thrown out of our public schools, and they have had to install the metal detector instead."

You god is omnipotent, thus he cannot be "thrown out" of anywhere unless 1: he wants to be or 2: he doesn't exist to begin with.

Prayer also, as I mentioned above, hasn't been removed from schools--students are perfectly free to pray to whatever they like, whenever they wish, so long as its not disruptive and its not being led by anyone employed by the school nor endorsed by the school.

"As long as our schools don’t have a prayer, I suppose some of them need to have a sign installed out in front: Enter at your own risk."

Didn't some nutjob shoot up a church not too long ago?

First of all, where was Gawd then? Maybe they weren't praying hard enough themselves. Or maybe they weren't saying the right prayers. Or maybe they weren't saying them the right way. Or maybe they weren't true Christians.

Should we put an "Enter at your own risk" sign in front of churches also? Obviously your god can't even keep you safe in his own house, so I fail to see how praying in schools is supposed to stop violence there.

3/6/2012 8:11:52 AM



Of course the breathless, 24/7 cable news cycle of the last 15 years that makes celebrities of the losers who do the shootings couldn't have anything to do with it, even though many of them have left video and/or notes behind saying they were going to be famous, could it?

3/6/2012 9:13:14 AM

farpadokly

Reading through that list of school shootings, the thing that I can't help thinking is: "People in America have got too many guns". Sorry to be such a bleeding heart European liberal sissy.

3/6/2012 10:57:19 AM
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