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Cardinal Timothy Dolan ramped up the battle with the White House today, blasting the government for a controversial new regulation that would require providing free contraceptive services to workers of religious institutions.

“Don’t impose your teaching upon us and make us do as a church what we find unconscionable to do!” the freshly minted prince of the church told a roaring crowd of 1,000 at Holy Trinity Diocesan HS in Hicksville.
In a blistering attack interlaced with humor, Dolan never mentioned President Obama by name — only his policies.

But he did bring up President Lyndon B. Johnson.
“President Johnson said, ‘As an American I look to the church — I look to religion as a beehive. If you leave them alone they’re going to give you tons of their honey. But if you stick your head in there, you’re going to get stung bad.’”
Washington softened its stance on the prickly issue last month, saying that insurers would foot the bill, not the Church’s schools, hospitals or clinics.

But on his blog, Dolan, who was elevated to cardinal on Feb. 18, said that he and the bishops, “are still as worried as ever.”

He told the crowd of church leaders that the battle over the US Health and Human Services regulation is bigger than contraception.

“It is a freedom of religion battle,” Dolan said. “We are talking about an unwarranted, unprecedented radical intrusion into the interior life of integrity of a church’s ability to teach, serve and sanctify in its own.”
Dolan, the president of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops and de facto leader of the American Catholic Church, didn’t shy away from his leadership role, nor from controversy.

“I suppose we could say there might be some doctor who would say to a man who is suffering some sort of sexual dysfunction, ‘You ought to start visiting a prostitute to help you, and I will write you a prescription, and I hope the government will pay for it.

“We live in an era that seems to discover new rights every day and then expects government and culture and society to pay for it. The church emphasizes responsibility more than rights.”


Cardinal Timothy Dolan, New York Post 73 Comments [3/11/2012 3:58:35 AM]
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cdcdrr

So how is that 'taking responsibility' for the crimes of pedophile priests coming along, Timmy? Last I heard, it's still being covered up as I write this.

3/11/2012 4:18:59 AM

rw23

> “Don’t impose your teaching upon us and make us do as a church what we find unconscionable to do!”

Translation: We don't want to be forced to wear condoms when buggering altar boys.

3/11/2012 4:32:57 AM

Matante

Hey, your freedom of religion was opposing your employees' worker's rights when you excluded that from their benefits. One had to yield, better it be the one that actually loses nothing (except an occasion to abuse their power again I guess) in the deal.

3/11/2012 5:06:08 AM

Bollox

I'd just as soon take moral instruction from the Mafia.

3/11/2012 5:15:28 AM

Reynardine

What the Hell is this man talking about? Insurance already covers men's Viagra prescriptions, and I daresay a fair number of the beneficiaries are engaging in sex outside of marriage.

3/11/2012 5:20:12 AM

Percy Q. Shunn


3/11/2012 5:28:17 AM

Mihangel apYrs

“We are talking about an unwarranted, unprecedented radical intrusion into the interior life of integrity of a" NATION'S "ability to teach, serve"

Fixed.

If Nolan keeps his nose out of the secular, I'm sure the rest of us will keep ours out of the "sacred" - except the bits about sodomising choirboys and girls

3/11/2012 5:28:21 AM

Mudak

Can we clarify something? It's not "free" contraception. It's just the inclusion of contraception on employer-sponsored health insurance coverage.

Now. If you want separation of church and state, fine. So do I. That means you can't get to use any roads to get to your church. If there's a fire there, don't expect the fire department to put it out. And if someone gets sick there, take them off of church property before calling the paramedics. Got it?

3/11/2012 5:36:16 AM

Robespierre

Controversial my ass.
The requirement is to provide health benefits to emplyees, and that includes contraception. It's about as controversial as saying that religious institutions have to pay wages.

If you don't like labor laws, don't employ people.

3/11/2012 5:50:36 AM



“We live in an era that seems to discover new rights every day and then expects government and culture and society to pay for it. The church emphasizes responsibility more than rights.”

As it turns out you have responsibilities to your employees. I believe that trumps your right to invade their personal lives.

3/11/2012 5:59:48 AM




3/11/2012 6:11:41 AM

Filin De Blanc

For crying out loud, it's absurd that this is even an issue. If law says you have to do something, you have to do it regardless of how your religious denomination feels about it. Do these people really want to live in a world where Jehovah's Witnesses can deny their employees insurance for blood transfusions under the guise of religious liberty?

3/11/2012 6:52:52 AM

Papabear

If you employ people in the U.S. you should abide by the standards required by other employers in the U.S. To deny birth control coverage to others because YOUR religion bans it is imposing YOUR religion on others. Denying coverage is like requiring your mail carrier to be vegetarian because you don't eat meat.

3/11/2012 7:44:24 AM

Mayhem

I feel the same way. I don't want my tax dollars going to support infrastructure, law enforcement, and water piping for your church, which I am doing right now because you don't pay taxes.

3/11/2012 7:46:02 AM

Canadiest

"The church emphasizes responsibility more than rights.”"
You really mean people have no rights according to the church, when called on this you claim these are Gods tenants. They're not. There is no God and even if there was your Bible doesn't prohibit birth control.

The church isn't paying for this, it's a normaly covered health insurance (cheaper then pregnancy, birth and child coverage for them). Ever wonder why the middle men, the insurance companies, have no statements, interviews or bequests to the goverment during this supposed huge problem?
The Catholic agencies in question are goverment funded operations, not allowed to hire only Catholics and therefor infringing on others benefits based on their religious grounds. Totally a constitutional violation.

This is why we only hear from the far right fringe of Catholics and Republicans as this being an issue of religious freedom. The Republican right wing has ginned up a case of religious restriction on health insurance (which has been going on for many years) as an argument FOR religious freedom when in fact it's a case of illegal enforced religious doctrine.

3/11/2012 8:00:16 AM

Dr. Razark

“I suppose we could say there might be some doctor who would say to a man who is suffering some sort of sexual dysfunction, ‘...I will write you a prescription...'"
Viagra?

"The church emphasizes responsibility more than rights."
How about the right of altar boys not to be raped by priests? How about the responsibility of handing rapists over to the legal system, instead of shuffling them around to hide them? How about the fact that churches have managed to get away with not paying a single penny in taxes, while benefiting from the services paid for by taxes, all while amassing vast wealth under the guise of "charity", by threatening their congregations with eternal torture?

Until you fix your church, you cannot claim moral high ground. Until you start paying taxes, you don't get to poke your nose into national policy. If you want to play the game, you have to pay your dues.

3/11/2012 8:26:06 AM

The Watcher

Reynolds vs. United States holds that you don't get to ignore laws that apply to everybody else just because you claim "It's my religion." Sorry, it's over. It's been decided. You lost.

3/11/2012 8:27:46 AM

whoanelly

UGH. Words cannot describe how much I despise this motherfucker. Maybe it's his endless godwinning, maybe it's him spreading blatant lies about gay marriage, maybe it's the shitty way he's representing my state, which is normally an ok place. Or maybe it's because of the endless ass licking Dolan gets from conservative NY Catholics/hometown papers, which stan for Dolan so hard it's not even funny. (And it's not even just the Post, which is a Murdoch propaganda mouthpiece for someone too blue collar to read the Wall Street Journal, the Daily News does it too.) But do you know what I hate about him the most? That everyone thinks he should have a say in American politics, even though he's a fucking cardinal and should have no fucking say at all unless he's elected to political office, AS PER SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. So fuck you, Tim. Fuck your archaic ideas. Your church is having less and less influence, and it's fun to watch you whine futilely as we drag your twelfth century asses into the present day.

3/11/2012 8:30:56 AM

Doubting Thomas

Washington softened its stance on the prickly issue last month, saying that insurers would foot the bill, not the Church’s schools, hospitals or clinics.

But on his blog, Dolan, who was elevated to cardinal on Feb. 18, said that he and the bishops, “are still as worried as ever.”


Even though they don't have to pay for people's contraception, they're still pissed off because they don't get to force people to pay for it themselves or make them not use it. They're just whining about not having that power. Funny, though, how the only time fundies are in favor of church/state separation is when the state is telling the church what to do.

“I suppose we could say there might be some doctor who would say to a man who is suffering some sort of sexual dysfunction, ‘You ought to start visiting a prostitute to help you, and I will write you a prescription, and I hope the government will pay for it.

Viagra is already covered under insurance policies, but I don't hear the church complaining about that.

3/11/2012 8:42:00 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Wait, Dolan's a cardinal now? I thought he was just an archbishop. What, did the Church promote him for being sufficiently fundie? That would not surprise me at all, really.

“We live in an era that seems to discover new rights every day and then expects government and culture and society to pay for it. The church emphasizes responsibility more than rights.”

Thank you for telling us, Cardinal, that you (and by extension, since officials are not permitted to deviate one iota from the Pope's party line, the entire Church) are opposed to the concept of human rights. Unlike the Protestants, at least you are honest.

3/11/2012 8:45:01 AM

Seeker Lancer

They're not even forcing religious institutions to do anything now and they continue to pretend like they are so that they can stop everybody else from benefiting and forcing them to do what THEY want. Hypocritical shitheads.

3/11/2012 9:00:24 AM

Deep Search

Hurr, hurr, because people who work for religious institutions will obviously *always* want to follow all the beliefs of said religion. They just want to impose their belief system on workers and not give them access to contraception because they claim they don't like it.

Also bees never give out honey, since they need it to survive and they eat it them-freakin'-selves. Not that I don't agree that religious groups have a hive mind.

3/11/2012 9:27:59 AM

Noneofyourbusiness

"We live in an era that seems to discover new rights every day and then expects government and culture and society to pay for it."

Shiny, shiny mirror. You're the one who expects special rights because of your religious beliefs.

3/11/2012 9:39:35 AM

nazani14

The church is just being a shill for insurance agencies, ever vigilant to find ways to charge more while providing less coverage.

"Honorable Bishops, we the citizens of the United States, petition you to ban
the recreational use, by Catholic men, of Viagra, Cialis and any other male erectile stimulation drugs or devices, except, by written request of a woman to whom he is bonded by holy matrimony, and then for no longer than one week, for procreation purposes only. "
SIGN PETITION HERE:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/ban-male-erectile-drugs/

3/11/2012 9:45:39 AM

Zimmer

Misrepresentation of the issues, blatant lying, and even some slut-shaming on the side.

The modern conservative, ladies and gentlemen.

3/11/2012 9:46:52 AM
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