Home Archives Random Quotes Latest Comments Top 100 Submit Quote Search Log In

Quote# 86410

People of this state already have the right to marry, adults in Ohio have the freedom to marry someone of the opposite sex because that’s what marriage is. Marriage law is simply a legal confirmation of what we see in nature, that a male and a female fit together anatomically, that this is how children and families are creation, that children and new humans are valuable, not a problem, so this is really a pro-life issue at its heart.

The fact that a few people have deviant desires and want to overturn marriage law for everyone is not an issue of equality, it’s an issue of morality. It’s rebellion against nature, against civil order and against the beautiful design of God. We need to tell the people and this effort a resounding ‘No.’

The question is sometimes asked, how would same-sex marriage harm your marriage? There are several simple answers. One, it changes what is considered normal and legal throughout our culture and therefore what is taught and modeled to our children and grandchildren. Do we want little Morgan in second grade to learn that when she grows up she might marry a boy or might marry a girl and either one is perfectly fine and she won’t know until she’s older which she prefers, but that’s OK. Do you think Morgan will develop with a secure and stable idea about her identity as a girl and woman with this shaky and morally irrational guidance? No wonder our kids are anxious, stressed out and feel they have nothing to believe in sometimes, they are being told what they can see themselves is foolishness and being told to swallow these lies and stay quiet if you don’t agree.

This nonsense is already being taught in some schools and in those states where same-sex marriage is legal it has exploded. Many schools now routinely shut off all debate about homosexuality, there is only one viewpoint and it is pro-homosexual. The deception that results is a dark cloud hanging over our educational environment and our culture and it harms these precious, developing minds and hearts the most. I urge you friends to stand against same-sex marriage.

Linda Harvey, Right Wing Watch 40 Comments [3/14/2012 3:33:18 AM]
Fundie Index: 54
Submitted By: Zagen30
WTF?! || meh
Username:
Comment:



1 2
Serph-no-Okami

That still doesn't explain how it would affect your own marriage, now does it.

And you really think that children don't get stressed out and don't know what to believe when they notice that the world isn't as black and white, simple and clean as you make it out to be?

3/14/2012 3:42:25 AM

Mudak

The argument that male and female fit together is a funny one, to be sure. There's lots of places where my dick fits, including many places you might find repulsive. And that's not even getting into the sheer number of things that fit inside a pussy...

3/14/2012 3:59:15 AM

Filin De Blanc

If Morgan is already attracted to girls, I imagine hearing that would be an immense comfort to her.

3/14/2012 4:01:45 AM

Matante

Well no, I don't want little Morgan to have a pre-cut identity as a girl.
I want little Morgan to have an identity as Morgan, and trust her to figure out what exactly that means. I want little Morgan to know that there are plenty of good ways to grow up and that her family and friends will respect her even if the ones that fit her best aren't the ones they expected.

3/14/2012 4:33:20 AM



Do we want little Morgan in second grade to learn that when she grows up she might marry a boy or might marry a girl and either one is perfectly fine and she won’t know until she’s older which she prefers, but that’s OK.

Yup. Incidentally, you said you had several simple answers. That was only one, and a pile of crap at that.

3/14/2012 4:42:42 AM

Arctic Knight

Preventing same sex marriage is unconstitutional under the equal protection clause. A woman has the right to marry a man, but a man is denied that very same right based solely on his gender. That is sexual discrimination.

3/14/2012 5:23:30 AM

dionysus

adults in Ohio have the freedom to marry someone of the opposite sex

Oy, I'm so fucking sick of this stupid argument! It's as stupid as saying "you have freedom of religion, as long as you're a Muslim".

so this is really a pro-life issue at its heart

WTF? Pro-life? Gays aren't having abortions. Also, what of the EXISTING humans that are filling up adoption agencies? Are they not fucking valuable?

and new humans are valuable

Oh, right. Fundies only care about you until you're born, then once you've lost your newness they drop you like boiling hot potato.

One, it changes what is considered normal and legal throughout our culture

All new laws do that, moron.

Do we want little Morgan in second grade to learn that when she grows up she might marry a boy or might marry a girl and either one is perfectly fine and she won’t know until she’s older which she prefers, but that’s OK.

What the fuck is wrong with that? We can't change who we're attracted to, it just kind of happens. If Morgan likes rich men, fat men, construction workers, emos, or even women then there's nothing wrong with it. Why torment someone for something they can't control?

3/14/2012 5:48:11 AM

Mister Spak

The question is sometimes asked, how would mixed race marriage harm your marriage? There are several simple answers. One, it changes what is considered normal and legal throughout our culture and therefore what is taught and modeled to our children and grandchildren.

3/14/2012 5:50:07 AM



People of this state already have the right to...marry someone of the opposite sex

That's like saying you have the right to marry someone whom your parents have chosen for an arranged union. Something tells me that you, Linda Harvey, wouldn't want to do this either.

this is how children and families are creation

Grammatical errors aside, what about married couples who either cannot or choose not to have children? Should they be denied the right to marriage by your logic as well?!

3/14/2012 5:57:54 AM

Orion

My dick also fits perfectly into your hand.

3/14/2012 6:50:11 AM

Doubting Thomas

that this is how children and families are creation, that children and new humans are valuable, not a problem, so this is really a pro-life issue at its heart.

So then you're going to require that infertile couples will have their marriage dissolved?

want to overturn marriage law for everyone

I really don't remember ever seeing any gay marriage proponent asking that heterosexual marriage be banned.

The question is sometimes asked, how would same-sex marriage harm your marriage? There are several simple answers.

No, there is one simple answer: It won't.

Do you think Morgan will develop with a secure and stable idea about her identity as a girl and woman with this shaky and morally irrational guidance?

Are you seriously claiming that telling children that they have the freedom to marry who they want will cause gender confusion? The human sex drive is very powerful, straight girls will still find boys attractive.

3/14/2012 6:52:37 AM

Sentry Gun

Lots of homosexual behaviours have been observed in wildlife.

So either gayness is a part of God's design, or animals have souls that can be corrupted by Satan / a free will enabling them to engage in what you consider as "deviant behaviour", meaning we're not your god's precious little thing, holding no special place in his universe (implying your genesis is bullshit).

Christian logic is bullshit, but even this tells you're wrong.

3/14/2012 9:05:21 AM

sandchigger

People of this state already have the right to marry, adults in Ohio have the freedom to marry someone of the opposite sex

And if the law is changed so that same-sex couples can marry then you can totally marry a woman, Linda. See how that works?

3/14/2012 9:23:30 AM

Brendan Rizzo

People of this state already have the right to freethought; adults in Ohio have the freedom to learn scientific fact because that’s what thought is. The scientific method is simply a philosophical confirmation of what we see in nature, that the universe is governed by unchangeable physical laws, that this is how the world works, that all humans no matter their background are equally capable of reason and none are divinely favored, so this is really a pro-human issue at its heart.

The fact that a few people have deviant conceptions of reality and want to overturn rationality for everyone is not an issue of equality, it’s an issue of morality. It’s rebellion against nature, against civil order and against the beautiful laws of physics. We need to tell the people and this effort a resounding ‘No.’

The question is sometimes asked, how would teaching creationism harm the country's education? There are several simple answers. One, it changes what is considered normal and legal throughout our culture and therefore what is taught and modeled to our children and grandchildren. Do we want little Morgan in second grade to learn that six thousand years ago an all-powerful being lied to her in order to more easily send her to a place of eternal suffering and torment which can only be avoided by the surrender of her ability to think logically and critically? Do you think it is at all healthy for her sense of self-worth for Morgan to be told that she is inherently inferior to half of her fellow human beings because a mythical person who just happened to share her reproductive anatomy once ate an equally mythical fruit and now women are useful only as baby factories? Do you think Morgan will develop with a secure and stable idea about her identity as a human being with this shaky and morally irrational guidance? No wonder our kids are anxious, stressed out and feel they have nothing solid to believe in; they are being told that they should see themselves as worthless and being told to swallow these lies and stay quiet if they don’t agree, unless of course they want to be burned at the stake.

This nonsense is already being taught in some churches and in those states where religious fundamentalism is accepted it has exploded. Many churches now routinely shut off all debate about religion; there, there is only one viewpoint and it is pro-irrationality. The deception that results is a dark cloud hanging over our educational environment and our culture and it harms these precious, developing minds and hearts the most. I urge you friends to stand against the teaching of creationism and its pseudonym, intelligent design.

This is quite possibly my greatest fix of a fundamentalist's rhetoric yet.

3/14/2012 11:01:27 AM

StallChaser

Marriage law is simply a legal confirmation of what we see in nature, that a male and a female fit together anatomically, that this is how children and families are creation, that children and new humans are valuable, not a problem, so this is really a pro-life issue at its heart.
Oh, right, because there's no such thing as an unmarried pregnant woman.

not an issue of equality, it’s an issue of morality.
Equality is an issue of morality, and you're on the wrong side.

Do you think Morgan will develop with a secure and stable idea about her identity as a girl and woman
She'll have a secure and stable idea about her identity as herself.

3/14/2012 12:10:08 PM

TheJebusFire

[...that children and new humans are valuable, not a problem...}

Unless said child grows up to be gay.

[The question is sometimes asked, how would same-sex marriage harm your marriage?]

To quote Wand Sykes: "How does someone else’s marriage affect your marriage, it’s ridiculous.If your marriage is fucked up, it’s because you fucked it up."

[One, it changes what is considered normal and legal throughout our culture and therefore what is taught and modeled to our children and grandchildren.]

We have changed what we thought was moral and legal all the time and rivers don't run blood yet. Slavery used to be moral and legal, it's not anymore is it?

[Do you think Morgan will develop with a secure and stable idea about her identity as a girl and woman with this shaky and morally irrational guidance? ]

What if being a lesbian is part of her idenity as a woman? How would she grow up secure in her idenity if her parent's teach her that she's an abomination?

[Many schools now routinely shut off all debate about homosexuality...]

Telling the gay kid that he's a second class citizen and should be treated like shit because the bible says so isn't debate.


3/14/2012 3:10:40 PM

Passerby

Considering whether little Morgan gets to legally marry another girl after she grows up or not will have absolutely no bearing on whether she is attracted to other girls your 'simple' analogy breaks apart like the verbal diarrhea it is.

Whether or not little Morgan gets to marry the man/woman of her choosing at all does however have plenty of bearing on her hopes for the future and any family she might want to raise or adopt. If she goes through life shunned by society, forbidden from being with those she loves, thinking God hates her as much as her parents, then she will most likely spiral into depression and self-loathing if not snap completely. Sexual attraction isn't something you choose you damned idiot, it just happens.

I dare you to tell me that you have never once been attracted to a man (assuming Linda is your real name and you are indeed a straight woman) based on looks only to find yourself repulsed by their personality but still end up fantasizing about screwing their brains out.

The only 'debate' people like you want to have about homosexuals is whether to hang them, imprison them, or just egg them in the streets until they go back into the closet.

3/14/2012 3:29:32 PM

Old Viking

If these people had something to say, I'd listen. But the same limp-brained drivel time after time is tiresome.

3/14/2012 3:47:39 PM

checkmate

Do we want little Morgan in second grade to learn that when she grows up she might marry a boy or might marry a girl and either one is perfectly fine and she won’t know until she’s older which she prefers, but that’s OK.

Yes, exactly that. And thank you for wording it so well.

That's basically what I was told at home. I turned out to be a very secure and happy heterosexual with a "stable idea about my identity". My oldest sister, who grew up outside of my family, is a lesbian who has been with her partner for about 30 years. We're all very happy for her.

Oh, and we don't give a flying fuck what any right wing reactionaries have to say. About anything.

3/14/2012 4:10:55 PM

tranz2deep

Linda. You. Are. Wrong.

You know what? every time I hear this tired old lie about how gays are supposedly against heterosexuals getting married, I realise just how much the terrors you and your sadistic branch of society attribute to others are in fact what YOU want to do to anyone that isn't, well, you.

Finally, do I want Morgan to learn that she has the right to choose to follow her heart and be unashamed as long as she's not hurting anyone? YES. Yes, I *DO*.

That shit about shutting out debate is particularly telling. While absolutely no state in the Union has banned people liking the opposite gender, one state has passed a bill FORBIDDING the teaching of contraception or of homosexuality, so I know for a fact you're just trying to pass off the horrors of your little cult as being committed by those you oppose.

3/14/2012 5:25:14 PM

Aspergus

"...adults in Ohio have the freedom to marry someone of the opposite sex..."

Yep, and everybody in Inquisition-era Spain had the same right to be Catholic. If those uppity Jews and Muslims didn't like it, then they could just convert or leave the country!

"It’s rebellion against nature, against civil order..."

You're one to talk about "natural order" when you just conveniently ignore the fact that homosexuality is observed in thousands of animal species.

"Do you think Morgan will develop with a secure and stable idea about her identity as a girl and woman with this shaky and morally irrational guidance?"

Are you really suggesting that gender roles ought to be taught to children? Little Morgan can decide for herself how she wants to identify and convey her identity as a woman. Do you really think its healthy to instill in young kids constricting and conformist views on gender? I thought we were past that as a society.

"No wonder our kids are anxious, stressed out..."

Telling kids that they can decide for themselves what they want in life is going to make them anxious??? Teaching kids conformity and constrictive gender roles and sexualities is what will probably make them anxious!

3/14/2012 5:52:36 PM

C_V

"how would same-sex marriage harm your marriage? There are several simple answers"

and yet, amidst all that drivel, you still only managed to produce one "answer" and that one was a complete pile of illogical escresence.



3/14/2012 7:00:50 PM

ScrappyB

"Do we want little Morgan in second grade to learn that when she grows up she might marry a boy or might marry a girl and either one is perfectly fine and she won’t know until she’s older which she prefers, but that’s OK."

Yes, that sounds about right.

Don't you just love it when morons try to use reductio ad absurdum and it comes out looking reasonable? It only shows how rediculous their own views really are.

3/15/2012 2:25:50 AM

Ahad Ha-am

"develop with a secure and stable idea of her identity"

So, I assume you're against gay kids forming stable and secure identities?

3/15/2012 7:29:43 AM

Swede

We're not a few people, as more and more countries have gender-neutral marriages laws, we are the majority. We don't want to overturn marriage laws for everyone, we just want to expand them a little.
Homosexuality can be found in many species, ergo it's not against nature.

Most people who marry don't do it only to have sex, which is the only situation in which the anatomical fit really matter. To eat a romantic breakfast together on a sunday morning, you don't need to fit anatomically. This stupid "fit anatomically" rule doesn't exclude marriage to children, btw.

Yes, we want little Morgan to learn that. Of course we do, as it's reality. What, do you want to lie to small children?
The foolishness they can see for themselves, that is the fairy tale-based ideas for governing the state. Fairy tales belong in children's books and in religious buildings, not in government.

Absolutely right; there is no debate about homosexuality. It exists, that is all. We might as well have a debate about blue eyes.

3/15/2012 8:19:37 AM
1 2