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You guys do realize that ALL science is based on mathmatics right? The laws of probability are also based on math. They don't lie.There are many well known scientists who are rethinking their positions on evolution vs. creation. It actually takes more faith to believe it all just happened than it does to believe in a God who created it all. I am really impressed by yalls defense of the "faith" though, just shows the brainwashing program in public schools is doing a good job.

dadman, HardOCP 33 Comments [3/14/2012 3:50:33 AM]
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#1382128

Jezebel's Evil Sister

"... There are many well known scientists who are rethinking their positions on evolution vs. creation. ..."

Can you name some? How about just one?

Nope. Didn't think so.

3/14/2012 4:11:06 AM

#1382134

I really need to stop bringing out my really old irony meter. Another quote like this one and... well its a good thing this quote wasn't any dumber. On that note, there seems to be a crater where my new one was.

3/14/2012 4:17:05 AM

#1382136

Matante

Ignoring most of the (rather ordinary) post:
"The laws of probability are also based on math. They don't lie."

Actually they are the part of math that can lie. XD

3/14/2012 4:23:24 AM

#1382166

David B.

"The laws of probability are also based on math. They don't lie."

No, but idiots who don't understand probability, statistics or science do.

"It actually takes more faith to believe it all just happened than it does to believe in a God who created it all."

Things "just happen" all the time, I see things "just happen" on a second-by-second basis. No sign of God yet.

Hmm... In the faith stakes which takes more, believing something you see happen constantly, or believing something you've never seen ever?

And the "death of evolution" is 150 years overdue and counting, but hey, you just keep on predicting it, you're bound to be right one day.

The laws of probability say so.

3/14/2012 5:28:21 AM

#1382168

Arctic Knight

Are you trying to say that having more faith is a bad thing? Then why do you press the whole, "you need to have faith" issue at us if faith is bad?

3/14/2012 5:33:22 AM

#1382169

Mister Spak

.There are many well known scientists who are rethinking their positions on evolution vs. creation. "

Steve says you're full of shit.

3/14/2012 5:35:39 AM

#1382175

anevilmeme

"You guys do realize that ALL science is based on mathmatics right?"

Yes, that's rather the point. Math and evidence not revelation.

3/14/2012 5:40:08 AM

#1382193

yalls

Anyone who uses the term "yalls" can be summarily ignored. That is all.

3/14/2012 6:02:20 AM

#1382200

dionysus

There are many well known scientists who are rethinking their positions on evolution vs. creation. It actually takes more faith to believe it all just happened than it does to believe in a God who created it all.

Okay, how does everything not "just happening" disprove evolution? Even if this "God" thing created the universe, the evidence shows that evolution happened. At best, God could only have kick started the process and even THAT is an irrational belief based on no evidence. Face it: the gaps your god can hide in are getting smaller and smaller.

3/14/2012 6:11:33 AM

#1382213

Doubting Thomas

Just because the laws of probability mean that it's unlikely something happened, they don't say that it's impossible that something happened.

Even if you could prove that the laws of probability are slim against the big bang or evolution occurring, those are still better odds than the probability of a god magically making the entire universe out of nothing, which is 0.

3/14/2012 6:29:12 AM

#1382222

NearlySane

So the laws of probability based around a naturalistic methodology can be used on supernatural claims? How does that work then?

3/14/2012 6:38:27 AM

#1382264

Osiris

What do you mean by it all just happened? Because evolution is a selective process that is well known for its ability to create things that appear to be designed.

3/14/2012 8:12:08 AM

#1382274

emau99

There are many well known scientists who are rethinking their positions on evolution vs. creation.

Appeal to authority AND appeal to numbers. Double score--well done!

It actually takes more faith to believe it all just happened than it does to believe in a God who created it all.

So...faith is a bad thing?

Who is it that's saying that it all "just happened"?

3/14/2012 8:34:38 AM

#1382284

aaa

Perhaps you haven't heard of this "Scientific method" thing we tend to use for science. Also, check out this thing called "Logical Fallacy", that stuff will show you how not to do this debating shit.

3/14/2012 8:49:48 AM

#1382302

Anon-e-moose

"You guys do realize that ALL science is based on mathmatics right?"

Let the facts go, you are under arrest.

(*Leg armour splits apart; gun bracket emerges from leg, removes and aims verbal Auto-9 at de(a)dman's crotch*)

And according to your Bible, Pi = exactly 3. When the pre-Biblical ancient Greek mathematicians proved otherwise:

(*Fires Auto-9*)

Enjoy your 9mm castration, as your faith & beliefs, never mind your argument, are now sans spherical objects. That is the penalty for attempting to rape Facts, based on Evidence.

Somewhere there is a Crime against Reality happening. Thank you for your co-operation. Goodnight.

[/"RoboCop"]

3/14/2012 9:09:12 AM

#1382317

Johannes9126

Thousands of gods in the history of mankind who claim to be creators of the world. Makes the probability of one ancient desert god creating everything quite slim, at best 1/1000.

So if the laws of probability don't lie...

3/14/2012 9:39:40 AM

#1382328

Brendan Rizzo

Oh my God he DOES know about mathematics! This makes his insistence that the Big Bang theory is incorrect utterly incomprehensible.

Also, William Dembski is not taken seriously for a very good reason. Has anyone here heard of the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy?

3/14/2012 10:19:51 AM

#1382343

Ludd

"There are many well known scientists who are rethinking their positions on evolution vs. creation."
- If I had a dollar for every time I saw one of these vauge appeals to authority I could afford to put all these nitwits through college. I think they must start every sentence with 'many well known scientists'. "Can you please take out the trash?' 'Many well known scientists say I don't need to.'.

3/14/2012 10:52:29 AM

#1382368

WWWWolf

> You guys do realize that ALL science is based on mathmatics right?

You realise mathematics is a set of conventions, right?

> The laws of probability are also based on math. They don't lie.

The laws of probability are also far too easily easily misunderstood by creationists. Free fact #1: Probability = 0 means shit doesn't happen. Free fact #2: Probability > 0 means shit does happen. Free fact #3: We're here, aren't we? Duh. Free fact #4: It's pretty irrelevant anyway, because neither the Big Bang nor the theory of evolution are governed by probabilities.

> There are many well known scientists who are rethinking their positions on evolution vs. creation.

Yes, many used to be merely politely dismissive of creationism, but now they're seriously pondering if "why don't you take a hike already" would be a too provocative thing to say to the boneheads.

3/14/2012 11:35:57 AM

#1382375

RiJayden

Actually, probability says evolution is more likely than YEC, mostly on the account of Fundies not being able to prove supernatural creation.

And I say this as a fellow theist.

3/14/2012 11:57:42 AM

#1382403

Polymeron

I actually find it refreshing that people are trying to use Bayes' Theorem to prove their faith. True, the false assumptions are sometimes hard to spot, which can be misleading; but at least the underlying idea is good.

3/14/2012 1:52:56 PM

#1382407

TheJebusFire

And if you even bothered to step foot in any school, public or otherwise, you would have learned that "yalls" is not a word.

3/14/2012 2:23:18 PM

#1382429

Passerby

Really? Here I thought it was based on observation and associative logic, with math primarily being used measure and express findings.

The 'laws' of probability I've found to be a crapshoot, but I do not see how that factors into creationism vs evolution. Actually, if you think about it the entire concept of random chance spits in the eye of an almighty being with a plan and purpose for everything and everyone.

3/14/2012 3:06:38 PM

#1382436

I love the tired "probability" argument championed by professional liars for Jesus, er, "Apologists" (Discovery Institute, Strobel, Dembski, etc.) - "The odds that us being here the way we are at this moment by "natural" causes are 12 billion trillion kajillion to 1! I don't know about you, but it seems far more likely to me that Goddidit!"

Uh, no. The probability of the result of an event after it occurs is exactly 1:1. Trying to reverse engineer a supernatural creator through incredulity doesn't change our current reality one bit.

3/14/2012 3:27:24 PM

#1382447

Fawful has seen God has a vagina on top of his penis

"You guys do realize that ALL science is based on mathmatics right?"

History and sociology don't need maths like physics does (like he's implying). You lose.

3/14/2012 3:57:55 PM

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