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The author of the mural at Cranston High West at the center of the Ahlquist case speaks out:

I read the article Feb. 26 about a fundraising campaign among atheists to build a $40,000-plus scholarship fund for Jessica Alquist of Cranston, R.I. [news, "Athiest Who Fought School Prayer Banner To Get Scholarship"]

How nice of them. Jessica was duped by her ACLU-leaning father and uncle into bringing suit against the city of Cranston over the display of a school prayer that I wrote in 1960.

Dear Jessica isn't yet old enough to know the meaning of atheism. She was used (and permanently injured) by powers and ideologies in the name of secular liberal progressivism that she can't possibly understand at her tender age.

I can't believe The Courant would dignify such an award by such a group and to such a person with a piece on its pages. The R.I. judge's ruling in this case and the subsequent headlines fly in the face of all that is decent and moral about the United States and its Constitution.

Furthermore, I'd like to think that, as the author of the moral and upstanding school prayer in question, I'd be entitled to ten or a hundred times as much money as Jessica has been awarded for having torn it down and repudiated decency and morality in our schools. Where are my donors?

David A. Bradley, The Hartford Courant 46 Comments [3/18/2012 4:23:53 AM]
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Please... I've been an atheist since I was maybe 13 years old and I was fully capable of understanding what that meant at the time. In fact, I came to stop believing that there was a higher power, completely on my own, using critical thinking and a lot of reflection on both myself and the world around me. I also had strong convictions and although I never had to stand up for my beliefs publicly, like Jessica, I did have to do so with my parents and it wasn't exactly the easiest time in my life.

So I find your notion that she's incapable of understanding ideological beliefs simply based on her age of 16, to be idiotic. Maybe you weren't capable, but then didn't you create the banner at the age of 12 and weren't your beliefs, and thus your banner, influenced by your parents?

3/18/2012 4:59:48 AM

Mudak

Her tender age is important to the whole story because she has displayed a courage, maturity, and sophistication far beyond her mere sixteen years. The same cannot be said for her detractors.

3/18/2012 5:14:24 AM

Agahnim

Why do conservatives skip to the second amendment when they discuss the constitution, yet claim to care about it more than liberals? I always see liberals working for free speech and religious freedom.

3/18/2012 5:17:44 AM

Firewing

Because Christians, who were threatening to beat up, rape, and kill her over said mural, are EVER decent and moral...

Don't flatter yourself, Bradley. By the way, thanks for revealing even more that it's all about money for you lot.

3/18/2012 5:30:06 AM

LDM

She was getting death threats from Christians. Nice morality you people have there.

3/18/2012 6:37:07 AM

Deep Search

So a sixteen year old can't possibly understand atheism or liberalism, but they could understand Christianity and turn out any faith-based arglebargle they please? Because the religious kids are never brought up to blindly believe in things... But, right, atheist teens are *injured* and *used.*

This poor soul... How horrible for him that he's not swimming in money for a school prayer that "flew in the face" of separation of church and state and the constitution itself.

Has he had his head up his ass since the 60s? It certainly sounds like it.

3/18/2012 6:50:00 AM

Brendan Rizzo

In Europe, they wouldn't even be having this discussion.

3/18/2012 7:05:24 AM

Robespierre

Children can understand the concept of lying since they are 3-4 years old. It follows that they can stop believing what they are told much sooner than you think. When did you stop believing in Santa? Not believing in God works in exactly the same way.

P.s.: "Athiest" in a newspaper??? Fuck, I thought jounalists ought to know what they are writing!

3/18/2012 7:05:34 AM

Matante

Maybe you should make a new banner with "Where's my money???" written on it, and ask for it to be installed in the old one's place.
Apparently, it would represent your heart's true feelings more literally.

Besides, wasn't that banner offered by a whole club in that school, paid for with their collective money and designed by their collective effort? Dave has some nerve to claim it as his own!

3/18/2012 7:22:26 AM

John

The R.I. judge's ruling in this case and the subsequent headlines fly in the face of all that is decent and moral about the United States and its Constitution.

The Constitution is clear: the government can't promote religion. That includes posting prayers, the sole purpose of which is to promote a religious belief. You'd sing a different song if the prayer weren't in keeping with your religion.

3/18/2012 7:26:51 AM

WWWWolf

> #1383386
> Deep Search
> So a sixteen year old can't possibly understand atheism or liberalism, but they could understand Christianity and turn out any faith-based arglebargle they please?

Of course they can!

If you ever start wondering about anything at all, just say "Goddidit"! So easy to understand, and it works for everything!

3/18/2012 7:47:15 AM

Berny

Cry me a river, you sanctimonious twit.

3/18/2012 8:12:13 AM

Mayhem

And yet all those 8-year-olds whom fundie parents drag out to abortion protests and anti-gay rallies know exactly what they're doing...

3/18/2012 8:14:35 AM



excuse me but it was the Constitution that said the display of your prayer piece was unlawful.

No-one ordered its destruction, it would have been permitted to have it removed and stored somewhere or even donated to a group that could legally display it.


3/18/2012 8:31:22 AM

pete

My parents were agnostic. I was an atheist by the time I was 12. Of course, that was long before the resurgence of American fundamentalism that began, in earnest, when Raygun started humping Fallwell's leg.

3/18/2012 8:38:11 AM

Lotus-Thing

Uhm, you don't get any donors David, because you are, apparently, an asshole who picks on and belittles teenaged girls.

3/18/2012 8:41:24 AM

Rabbit of Caerbannog

"Furthermore, I'd like to think that, as the author of the moral and upstanding school prayer in question, I'd be entitled to ten or a hundred times as much money as Jessica has been awarded for having torn it down and repudiated decency and morality in our schools. Where are my donors?"


3/18/2012 9:51:24 AM

J. James

Everyone is BORN atheist, you condescending fuck. It's people like you using societal presssure and indoctrination on kids that changes that.

So your little banner got taken down? GOOD! That was unconstitutional and you fucking know it, you just don't want it to be so.

You want donations, huh? *digs around in pocket*


3/18/2012 9:57:05 AM

Thinking Allowed

The R.I. judge's ruling in this case and the subsequent headlines fly in the face of all that is decent and moral about the United States and its Constitution.

Perhaps "Dear Jessica" isn't old enough to understand atheism, but the judge in this case went to school to understand the U.S. Constitution and the separation of church and state.

3/18/2012 10:04:19 AM

Dale

You want money? Perhaps you should chip in for the $150,000 it cost the taxpayers for people like you who fought over this shit.

3/18/2012 10:07:40 AM

Skatepunk

Atheism is the absense of faith!

Get over it!

3/18/2012 11:05:42 AM

Lady Evil

"Dear Jessica isn't yet old enough to know the meaning of atheism."

Yet, I'll bet if a girl of the same age threw a temper tantrum because she wasn't allowed to hand out tracts or demand public morning prayers, you'd weep with joy and go on about "And a child shall lead them!"

Can you imagine what they'd say if someone said "Dear Cassie Bernall wasn't yet old enough to know the meaning of Christianity."? (BTW, she didn't say 'yes' after all.)

3/18/2012 11:10:55 AM



So if Jessica Alquist was a strong spoken Christian then she is a great person then and fully understands christianity then right? Because she's apparently old enough to understand that?

3/18/2012 11:31:49 AM

dfmfundies

@ Robespierre:

P.s.: "Athiest" in a newspaper??? Fuck, I thought jounalists ought to know what they are writing!

It's a letter to the editor, which means Bradley misspelled it. Newspapers don't edit letters as strictly as they do their staff's work.

3/18/2012 12:11:24 PM

Philbert McAdamia

Where is that banner that says "There probably is no god"?
Why is it not hanging in full view in your goddamned church?

3/18/2012 12:19:24 PM
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