there was a study a few weeks ago that also showed that 30-40% gay and lesbian youths were raped with intercourse before age 12, and that fifty percent of them had “forced intercourse’....the study also included bad health habits like drinking sodapop, and I had to email the writer to find where the statistic that showed the statistic on male gay vs female gays...(that was on page 41, she emailed back)...
You don’t just go “homeless”, and one doubts the parents threw them out for being gay (in Massachusetts). So why are they homeless? Is dad absent and mom on drugs? Did they run away? Are these runaways from outside Boston who now work as prostitutes?
The point is that if this is true, it means that maybe gay youth have more social problems than normal, and maybe the abuse caused them to chose to be gay. (I suspect some of my lesbian patients chose that lifestyle because they had been abused by men as children).
Another thought: We are also told in another study that gay children’s mental health is normal.
The subject needs to be checked, but alas too many studies just try to confirm the pc theories.
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there was a study a few weeks ago that also showed that 30-40% gay and lesbian youths were raped with intercourse before age 12, and that fifty percent of them had “forced intercourse’
I don't suppose Paul Cameron orchestrated this particular "study," did he?
....the study also included bad health habits like drinking sodapop...
*Gasp!* Sodapop??! Oh, my God! It's not like nobody else ever drinks soda!
You don’t just go “homeless”, and one doubts the parents threw them out for being gay (in Massachusetts). So why are they homeless? Is dad absent and mom on drugs?
Is it the child's fault that he/she lives under such circumstances in the first place?
Part 2
The point is that if this is true, it means that maybe gay youth have more social problems than normal, and maybe the abuse caused them to chose to be gay. (I suspect some of my lesbian patients chose that lifestyle because they had been abused by men as children).
Yes, gay youth tend to have more social and psychological problems than normal, thanks to asshats posting shit on websites on why how it's a gay kid's fault that he/she has these problems in the first place, and how he/she shouldn't have "chosen" to be gay in the first place. And trauma from childhood abuse can manifest itself in a myriad of ways that could affect a person's sexuality.
Another thought: We are also told in another study that gay children’s mental health is normal.
I highly doubt that's what the study found. Children tend to not identify as gay or straight in the first place, because they haven't even hit puberty yet!
Really? This ass can't possibly comprehend that teens "don't just go homeless" when they're here spewing out all this garbage? Teens are kicked out or face hostility at home so they have no alternative. They may have social problems because, oh, people are and society at large is homophobic...
Gay children would be mentally healthy so long as they don't get the impression that what they feel is bad. It's not being gay that would cause them any problems. Some people do know from a very young age they are attracted to the same sex, yes.
Slightly scary this lady is a doctor of any sort.
This is awfully reminiscent of those false statistics phrenologists would use to oppose the Civil Rights Movement. At the same time, it's creepily telling that there are almost no homophobic politicians outside of my country. Seriously, why did I have to be born here? I would have vastly preferred it if, like several of the other commenters on here, I could laugh at the dumb Americans without insulting or demeaning myself by proxy...
I'd need a [citation] on that study of yours.
I didn't realise that Jesus or your bible forbade drinking soda. Is that in the same chapter that forbids blood transfusions and internet porn?
@ Brendan Rizzo: I think you need a break from this website. Not even Headache could insult Americans or go on a tangental mini-rant in every quote. :/
Unfortunately, even medical professionals can be ignorant. I had one doctor start talking to me about safe (straight) sex, and I reminded her (again) that I'm a lesbian, and she said that many of her lesbian patients have sex with men. -_-
...one doubts the parents threw them out for being gay (in Massachusetts).
Yeah, because there aren't a sizable number of Roman Catholics in Massachusetts, right? Oh, I know, let's ask someone from Massachusetts!
Me: Hey, me, I'm from Massachusetts. Are there a lot of Roman Catholics in the state?
Me: Fuck yeah, there are.
Me: Am I sure?
Me: Am I kidding? With all the Irish that immigrated into the state over the last 150 years?
Me: Good point...
"there was a study a few weeks ago...", which is right up there with 'I heard...'.
The phrase '[citation needed]' exists for a reason . Facts backed up by evidence (and that means names, addresses, photographic proof of said cases of abuse), or GTFO.
Moral: 'Pulled out of your arse' =/= Reality.
@Darwin
'...bad health habits like drinking sodapop...'
"PURITY OF ESSENCE!"
And remember how, in the film "Dr. Strangelove", it was via the doodlings of General Jack D. Ripper's insane message that they were able to determine the recall code - the three letters used for the CRM-114 discriminator devices - of the B-52s (except for that one, whose radio was damaged). Now consider the (first) letters in the words of the above. [/Reverse Conspiracy Theory] [/CTSTDT]
At the same time, it's creepily telling that there are almost no homophobic politicians outside of my country.
You're either woefully under-informed or you're fucking trolling us. Homophobia is officially written into the laws of Saudi Arabia and has just recently been written into Russian law.
Seriously, why did I have to be born here? I would have vastly preferred it if, like several of the other commenters on here, I could laugh at the dumb Americans without insulting or demeaning myself by proxy...
Stop being such a useless fucking trolling twat. If your sense of identity leads you to believe that others mocking politicians sharing your nationality for saying stupid things somehow represents an attack on you, you may want to reconsider it.
So, 30-40% were victims of the rapey intercourse, and 50% were victims of "forced intercourse". I'm having a hard time drawing a distinction here. What happened to that 10-20% who were forced to have intercourse but not raped?
@Brendan - FWIW I agree with Greater Good. You're going to burst a blood vessel or something. Take a break, go outside, remember that most Americans are perfectly sane and normal. Even better, take a holiday over here in the UK. I'll buy you a pint. :)
@#1384700
"What happened to that 10-20% who were forced to have intercourse but not raped?"
They were women who were asking for it by the way they were dressed, so it's not rape, it's their fault.
(Ouch. It hurts my brain to try to think like a fundie.)
TheLastCenturion
and which study was this? if sodapop has anything to do with making people gay, then we have a lot more to worry about in the next 20 years or so. like implosive population decline. you know, that problem that we are not having at all? the one thats the opposite of one of the largest global concerns?
and what is that bullshit about homelessness? both homosexuals and homeless people are "victims of circumstance" if you will, but only because neither of them can really do anything to change their situation
even if this study isnt complete bullshit, and that 30-40% abuse statistic isnt fabricated, that still leaves 60-70% of homosexuals being raised in a healthy environment, which still blows holes in your theory the size of AAA shells.
raped with intercourse
As opposed to being raped with apple pie?
maybe the abuse caused them to chose to be gay
Nobody chooses to be gay. Stop lying.
too many studies just try to confirm the pc theories.
You don't like the study results, so they're biased? Unless you have evidence (and not Paul Cameron's horseshit) you're going to have to swallow the truth: homosexuality is not a mental illness in any way, shape, or form.
The same old lazy argument. I happen to know several gay folks who had wonderful family relations throughout childhood and grew up to be balanced, friendly, happy people mainly because their family always supported them even though they were gay.
Stop putting a stigma on being gay and I bet you that gay people as a whole will tend to be less prone to homelessness, mental disorders, depression, and suicide simply because they won't suffer the abuse of society as much.
Being "gay" is probably a phenotypically similar result of a dozen different possible causes, but never (outside a prison) of conscious choice. However, we should definitely eliminate rape, because it leads to soda pop.
Sodapop! I'm probably the gayest person in the world then, and I didn't even know it. Lately I'm liking Jones Soda a lot, so that must make me extra fabulous, or something.
Brendan Rizzo wrote: "Seriously, why did I have to be born here?"
Your parents used to fuck each other, in this country a lot.
Bitch, I didn't choose to be pansexual and vaguely genderqueer. Don't even go there.
I didn't choose to find women and others as attractive as I find men. I didn't choose to not care about how I or others present gender in public. I just don't give a flying fuck, okay? Do you understand me?
[there was a study a few weeks ago that also showed that 30-40% gay and lesbian youths were raped with intercourse before age 12]
What about the amount of hetrosexuals that were molested as children?
[and one doubts the parents threw them out for being gay]
You haven't actually talked to any of these kids or their relatives, have you?
[The point is that if this is true, it means that maybe gay youth have more social problems than normal, and maybe the abuse caused them to chose to be gay. (I suspect some of my lesbian patients chose that lifestyle because they had been abused by men as children).]
You think sexuality is choosen and your a doctor? Maybe gay youths won't have the problems they do if people like you if people like you would stop emotionally abusing them the way you do.
@Brendan Rizzo:
In my country, we have open fascists in parliament, one hour a week of catholic doctrine in school (opt out, and de-facto it consists of a preacher's ramblings on whatever he likes - yes, a preacher, nominated by the church), doctors in public hospitals can refuse to perform abortions, and many do to advance their careers while performing expensive abortions privately, and the Pope meddles in national politics on a weekly basis. Re-evaluate America.
Okay, this argument pisses me off, as a Child Abuse victim myself. Do not EVER drag us into your pathetic, petty vindictive war against tolerance. EVER! You fuckwit! There are many straight men and women who were abused, were their straightness caused by abuse?! There are many children who are tortured by their so called "parents" are their respective sexual orientations caused by that?
As for the kicking out of gay teens, if you hypocritical, douchnozzels didn't spread your tyranny, lies and hate in the fucking first place, there would be less of that!
I posit this to every single so called "Christian" who actively seeks to shut down rights of Gays, women whatever, Where are your fucking rallies against people who work on the Sabbath?! Where are your rallies to remove and burn all "Graven images of your Lord." These are not only in the OT they are part of the Ten Fucking Commandments! If you asshats don't even bother following your Ten Commandments, why in the fuck would you expect everyone to accept your interpretation of a few verses in the Bible and make it into a law for everyone to follow?
The Hypocrisy has gone on for too long. If your God exists, as described by your Bible/s, He should smote the lot of ya!
End Rant.
....the study also included bad health habits like drinking sodapop
That would be because Pepsi has babies in it, right?
Or maybe you are getting corn syrup mixed up with corn hole?
Who did the study? What was their ulteriour motive? How many heterosexuals were "raped with intercourse before age 12"? What's the difference between "rape with intercourse" and "forced intercourse"? How many heterosexual youths drank sodapop?
One does NOT doubt that some fundie parents might throw their kids out for being gay (in Massachusetts).
What if mom is absent and dad's on drugs?
Many gay youths do have more social problems than "normal" youths, as they have to struggle with bullying and discriminations due to homosexuality, as well as all "normal" problems that comes with beeing a teenager.
Them being gay is what caused the problems, stupid. If your patients chose to be lesbians, then they are bisexual, as you can't choose to become attracted to a gender. Either you are attracted or you're not.
I trust the "another study" more than the obviously biased one you talked about first.
"there was a study a few weeks ago"
Yeah, right. Typically no mention of who did that study. When I watch YouTube science lectures you regularly get the names of people who enacted the study or the institution responsible for it. When you see right-wing or Fundies acting like pros they either never give a source for these "studies" or the source can be tracked to the way too many Psuedo-Science organizations that Republicans, Right-Wing media and Church groups create just to pretend to be legit.
As far as any of us will ever know she has no source for this, or, just as bad it's a Conservapedia article (they do print a lot of shit exactly like what she stated. It's also the sort of shit Pali, Santorum or Perry just throw out to their groupies on a regular basis.
"The subject needs to be checked, but alas too many studies just try to confirm the pc theories."
She of course means studies done by legitimate, qualified and vetted organizations as opposed to right-wing propaganda
Now LadyDoc joins little jeremiah and Savagesusie on the ever-growing list of FreeRepublic douche-bags.
In fact, douchebags are about all that's left on that site.
Oh, look! Brendan Rizzo has decided to pose as an American in an apparent attempt to ward off the flames he's been receiving for his America-hating rants. Ha Ha!
Sorry, Brendan, not buying it. We still know you're just a bigot.
I call bullshit on your study. It's funny how you don't provide a link to it.
How dare you assume all lesbians were abused...I wasn't, and I still turned out to have a lesbian sexual orientation. So go fuck yourself, LadyDoc. If you really are a physician, I feel sorry for every one of your patients, gay or straight. Just what I'd want a bigoted doctor...aren't you supposed to be a professional? How can someone go through medical school and still have such a poor understanding of human sexuality?
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