Yep, the guy who persecuted and humiliated the little gay boy isn't to blame, it's the people who demonstrate It Gets Better. Uh huh. In Bible-land ostracism is Godly and just, while acceptance and tolerance are Satanic. Was it not Satan who said, "Judge not, lest you be judged"? Must have been.
4/5/2012 3:55:54 AM
Yes, crowing over the dead from a safe distance like the vulture you are and blaming the victim certainly isn't "gutless", oh no!
4/5/2012 3:58:28 AM
You, sir, are a cunt.
4/5/2012 4:24:51 AM
I think it's important to note that America judged Ravi guilty, not the liberal media. Jury and all that, being relatively randomly selected from the NJ population.
4/5/2012 4:27:28 AM
Faux churches? What's that, a building that looks like a church that isn't?
That gives me an idea: Open a restaurant in a building that looks like a big church and call it ChurchBurger. Well, if it weren't for the possibility of being sued by Church's Chicken.
4/5/2012 4:39:23 AM
I know I've said this so often people have begun to laugh...but, DARVO.
4/5/2012 4:56:39 AM
Filin De Blanc
Telling people it's okay to be who they are is what causes them to kill themselves?
4/5/2012 5:02:54 AM
How are they responsible? They're not the ones who say he's worthless for existing as he is.
4/5/2012 5:25:39 AM
It's people like Bill Keller who are guilty of the death of Tyler Clemente, not anyone else. It's those in the teabagger propaganda department who glamorize bigotry as normal and good., who are the real guilty parties in Clementis death.
4/5/2012 5:30:14 AM
Talking about tolerance and respect is evil, while demonizing people for how they are born is Godly?
If it were a choice, would anyone really choose to be this hated, vilified, persecuted, abused and possibly even murdered?
Can you choose to be gay for an afternoon, Bill? Show us how it's done, please, for we don't understand it at all.
4/5/2012 5:30:22 AM
Reading things like this make me physically ill. I'd call Keller a sociopath, but that would be an insult to actual sociopaths, as Keller and his ilk have no excuse for being cruel, selfish monsters.
4/5/2012 5:59:41 AM
DARVO in action. Of course it's the people who encourage tolerance of homosexuality and accept him as a normal person who made him commit suicide, not all the idiots running around claiming that he and all other gay people are deviants, unnatural, unhealthy, and sinful.
4/5/2012 6:01:49 AM
*burns down your house*
It wasn't me who was responsible for burning down your house, it was the owners of Burger King and barbecue restaurants that are to blame for all of the glorifying of flames they did.
*breaks your nose and jaw*
It's not my fault! Blame the makers of all of the action movies I've seen! Plus I also read some violent passages in the Bible so it's the Bible writers' fault too!
4/5/2012 6:45:00 AM
The one responsible for Tyler Clementi's death is the one who killed him, and no one else
4/5/2012 6:47:21 AM
I think this is a repost.
4/5/2012 7:08:04 AM
Here is what the real Bill Keller had to say:
Meanwhile, this specimen has moved on from blaming the victim to blaming his advocates.
Edit: @ FinalArbiterOfMyMorality:
Strictly speaking, that would be Tyler Clementi himself. He jumped from the GW Bridge after his roommate video streamed him kissing another man. Whatever his purpose, it is hard to believe the roommate, Dharun Ravi, expected that outcome.
4/5/2012 7:43:35 AM
How are they responsible? How? The fuckinger killer is responsible. Not them. The killer.
4/5/2012 7:55:13 AM
Yes, it's not the people who demonize them, it's obviously the people who try to make their lives better.
But seriously, no. Your attempts of blaming the people who would support him and not the people who would demonize him and tell him he's an abomination are despicable. It doesn't matter how many gay teens kill themselves because of the hatred you spread, you just blame someone else and keep spreading it because you are a heartless monster who deep down really wants them to die. Don't even try to deny it.
4/5/2012 8:03:06 AM
One's "Biblical stand" is one's own business. When one confront others and expose their romantic and sexual encounters, that is not one's business. Go to your church and have a rippin' good time denouncing gay people if you think you need to, but outside of you club, mind your own business and leave others to mind their's.
4/5/2012 9:53:38 AM
In case you hadn't noticed Bill, the laws of the United States of America aren't based on the Bible, nor does the Constitution of the United States grant the Bible any authority.
So kindly fuck off.
4/5/2012 11:06:15 AM
people like yourself who take a biblical minority on issues like this is slowly become a decreasing minority. you no longer have the right(if you ever did) to dictate how people live their lives. if religion drives people to murder other people, then i propose we do away with religion, and either we force the apocalypse upon ourselves (then you get to go to heaven anyway, but still, our bad) or nothing happens and people live pleasant, happy lives.
4/5/2012 11:14:50 AM
I'm not even sorry for what I'm about to say. I'm fucking sick of preceding my responses to these people with "I'm sorry, but..."
Because I'm not sorry. I have nothing to be sorry for. I won't be sorry for this anymore.
You have no idea what it's like to be bullied, do you? And you've definitely got no idea what it's like to not have heterosexual privilege to rely on, what it's like to have to dance around what you want to say because putting it plainly is the same as admitting you're some value of 'fag' -- if you did you wouldn't say shit like this.
Dharun Ravi committed a crime. He may not have taken a knife to Tyler Clementi's flesh, but he outed him as gay by invading his privacy. In this society, that's a pretty damn huge thing. I'm pansexual, but my parents don't know yet. They won't unless I fall in love with someone who isn't male. If someone were to post a video of me fucking a woman to Twitter or Facebook, effectively outing me when I'm not ready, I don't know what I'd do. We all know what Tyler did.
And fuck you, sir. Fuck you for blaming the people who are trying to destroy hate and bigotry. And if anything has ever deserved destruction, it is that, and I will not let you act as if you're on the side of the angels with this. I will not let your ilk stand unopposed in this. I will make no apologies.
Your kind are the reason this society makes my kind want to kill ourselves. We do not choose who we desire, who we love, any more than you do. So why should we fucking suffer for it? Why should we have to hide and fear and force ourselves to conform to your standards, simply because you're "normal" and we're not?
I see no reason, and I'm not sorry for the fact I will never again be sweet or kind or accommodating to your hatred. I will hate in equal measure instead, you Pharisee, and hope you breed with the mouth of a goat.
4/5/2012 11:31:50 AM
You are an objectively awful person by any standard.
4/5/2012 12:25:31 PM
And they will know we are Christians by our hate.
4/5/2012 12:40:34 PM
I agree with everything you said. Here's the "but" however.
"Dharun Ravi committed a crime. He may not have taken a knife to Tyler Clementi's flesh, but he outed him as gay by invading his privacy. In this society, that's a pretty damn huge thing."
True. Also true:
Dharun Ravi is a college kid living in a world where people make big bucks on "Girls Gone Wild" and the like. Is it right? of course not, but our society routinely rewards the wrong behaviors. I could rant on that topic for an hour. One does not look for good judgment from Tweens, one marvels when it is found. How many of the kids around him routinely commit obliquely similar crimes by driving drunk and only missing consequences by the grace of the law of averages? What Dharun did was churlish and childish, and he should indeed be held accountable for the consequences. What then, is a just punishment for misjudging the mental state of another? What would be his crime if Tyler did not kill himself and what would be fair compensation for the invasion of privacy? You see how this turns into a dangerous gray area?
4/5/2012 1:07:49 PM