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Christians believe the following:

-God exists
-Everyone knows that God exists
-The unbeliever suppresses that God exists because he prefers sin
-The unbeliever makes up reasons to justify his unbelief, implicitly or explicitly
-These excuses seem perfectly fine until God reveals himself to the person individually
-This revelation is present to us in the Bible

Christians cannot hate atheists. They cannot marginalize them either. Every Christian knows that he himself was a God-hater, in subtle or not-so-subtle ways, before God saved him.

The Christian is grateful to God for saving him and hopes for God to save the atheist as he hopes for God to save everyone believing in false gods.

Atheists put up reason as their strong face in opposing the Christian norm. But is atheism reasonable? The secularization of America has provided a seed-bed for a God-less world as the basis for life today.

Yet, even the atheists must borrow a Christian worldview in order to think and act rationally. Atheism has no way to ground reason. If we came about by chance, our reason and thinking is a random product of chance, with no strong foundation for thought.

Pradeep Tilak, Examiner.com 48 Comments [3/29/2012 3:47:36 AM]
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Lizuka

I'd say something witty, but statements like this are a dime a dozen around here.

3/29/2012 4:35:51 AM

David B.

Wow, Christians are sure wrong about a lot of things then!

Personally, I tend to avoid the Christian worldview as much as possible, mostly because it's so twisted it leads people to think stuff like "everyone knows God exists" and "the unbeliever suppresses that God exists because he prefers sin" which are patently incorrect.

Instead of "godidit" as grounds for reason, a premise so shakey and vague that it leads different followers to wildly different and often contradictory conclusions, all based - they think - on the sound footing of "divine reason", I use a solid evidential epistemology that need only assume the existence of the objective world to which I aim to apply it.

I need not even take that assumption on faith, since I am able to determine that the objective reality I am 'assuming' is capable of phenomena that I am not, so at the very least the objective part is verifiable.

As a strong foundation for thought, "this is how the perceived reality around me actually and testably appears to operate" is considerably better than "a magic man made it do that and I should listen to what bronze-age goat fu^H^H herders had to say about him."

3/29/2012 4:39:22 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Amazing. Literally all those beliefs have no evidence. There isn't even an attempted syllogism here. That must be a new record.

3/29/2012 5:25:13 AM

Mister Spak

-Allah exists
-Everyone knows that Allah exists
-The infidel suppresses that Allah exists because he prefers sin
-The infidel makes up reasons to justify his unbelief, implicitly or explicitly
-These excuses seem perfectly fine until Allah reveals himself to the person individually
-This revelation is present to us in the Koran


3/29/2012 5:25:38 AM

dionysus

Everyone knows that God exists

I don't. And I'll wager that neither does anyone else. Besides, if you KNOW God exists then what's the point of faith?

The unbeliever suppresses that God exists because he prefers sin

While many of us disagree with you on what is considered a sin (Killing and stealing are definitely immoral, but I don't agree that a man loving a man is a bad thing. And in my opinion, NOT liking lesbians is a sin.), we generally don't enjoy doing bad things to people. We're atheists, not sociopaths.

-These excuses seem perfectly fine until God reveals himself to the person individually
-This revelation is present to us in the Bible


Well then, your god chose a shitty way to reveal himself. Moses got the benefit of a burning bush talking to him, Paul got a vision, even Satan talks to God like a poker buddy (see Job). Why do we have to settle on translations of translations of third-hand accounts written decades or even centuries after the alleged event in one of many different holy books?

The secularization of America has provided a seed-bed for a God-less world as the basis for life today.

That we are the world's superpower, one of many free nations, that gives rights to minorities, that has modern medicine and technology? Oh the horror. Try living in Uganda and THEN try to complain about secular America.

Yet, even the atheists must borrow a Christian worldview in order to think and act rationally.

Science, bitches. And there's a ton of philosophies out there that can allow a person to lead a good life. Philosophy was invented in Pagan Greece. So was Democracy for that matter.

3/29/2012 5:30:22 AM

Rob aka Mediancat

-God does not exist
-Everyone knows that God does not exist
-The believer suppresses that God does not exist because he fears a world without a big supernatural being telling him what to do
-The believer makes up excuses to justify his belief, implicitly or explicitly
-These excuses seem fine until the truth is revealed to the person.
-This revelation is present in loads of science books

3/29/2012 5:31:52 AM

Xotan

I just cannot be bothered to answer this shite.

3/29/2012 6:03:33 AM

anevilmeme

Word salad

3/29/2012 6:25:09 AM

nutbunny

"Christians believe the following: ......

....-Everyone knows that God exists"


This is a problem

3/29/2012 6:30:34 AM

farpadokly

"Atheism has no way to ground reason". This person is philosophically several centuries behind the times if he believes that. Start with Descartes, then read Kant, Hume, Spinoza, to start with. Then keep going. Note the several perfectly coherent grounds for reason in a god-less universe, and god, with his revealed faith, as an impediment to reason.
If we came about by chance, that does not really affect the grounds of our reason, which is, effectively, our senses. We get input through our senses and this we call evidence.

3/29/2012 6:46:48 AM

farpadokly

"The Christian is grateful to God..."
"He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."

3/29/2012 6:47:29 AM

Orion

Potter Fanatics believe the following:
- Everyone knows Harry Potter and his magic exist.
- The unbeliever suppresses that magic exists because he prefers the muggle status quo in which he is privileged.
- The unbeliever makes up reasons to justify his unbelief.
- These excuses seem fine until a witch or wizard reveals themselves personally to the unbeliever.
- These revelations are present in the Harry Potter series

3/29/2012 7:12:53 AM

Orion

Bronies believe the following:

- Friendship is Magic
- The unbeliever suppresses the magic of friendship because he prefers selfishness and embraces cyncism and contempt for others.
- The unbeliever makes up reasons to justify his selfishness, rationalise his cynicism and deny the magic.
- These excuses seem perfectly fine until ponies share the magic with him individually.
- The magic of friendship can be revealed and shared through My Little Pony episodes and the following of their teachings.

3/29/2012 7:16:10 AM

Mayhem

Cthulhu cultists believe the following:

-Cthulhu exists
-Everyone knows that Cthulhu exists
-The unbeliever suppresses that Cthulhu exists because he prefers sanity
-The unbeliever makes up reasons to justify his unbelief, implicitly or explicitly
-These excuses seem perfectly fine until Cthulhu reveals himself to the person individually
-This revelation is present to us in the Necronomicon

3/29/2012 7:47:59 AM

OtakuX

-Gods do not
-Everyone knows that gods do not exist
-The believer convinces him/herself a god exists to combat their own fear of death
-The believer makes up reasons to justify his belief, implicitly or explicitly
-These excuses seem perfectly fine until they actually think for themselves for a moment
-This revelation is present to us in common sense and reality

3/29/2012 7:59:13 AM

Anon-e-moose

"Christians cannot hate atheists. They cannot marginalize them either. Every Christian knows that he himself was a God-hater, in subtle or not-so-subtle ways, before God saved him."



"Yet, even the atheists must borrow a Christian worldview in order to think and act rationally. Atheism has no way to ground reason. If we came about by chance, our reason and thinking is a random product of chance, with no strong foundation for thought."

You of all people should remember this quote, and it's source (emphasis added):

'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

-Mohandas K. 'Mahatma' Gandhi

And as for "even the atheists must borrow a Christian worldview in order to think and act rationally", I suggest you don't click the following link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule#Ancient_Babylon

Now, an Emeritus Professor of History I'm not, nor would I ever pretend to be. Yet, even I know that the Code of Hammurabi - the source of the 'Golden Rule' - is from ancient Babylon. Almost two millenia before your 'Jesus' even existed.

And at least we Atheists aren't so bereft of culture & history, that we have to steal the ancient Pagan Winter Solstice, and Eostre festivals, rehashing them as Christmas & Easter, and claiming such as our own.

Is stealing other cultures' traditions a rational act? I refer you to your own 8th Commandment.

...oh, and to get one back for the Wiccans, let's do a Christian act of stealing on you:

-Haruhi Suzumiya exists
-Everyone knows that Haruhi Suzumiya exists
-The unbeliever suppresses that Haruhi Suzumiya exists because he prefers the unseen (and therefore nonexistent) YHWH. At least Haruhi Suzumiya can be seen in the anime series.
-The unbeliever makes up reasons to justify his unbelief, implicitly or explicitly
-These excuses seem perfectly fine until Haruhi Suzumiya reveals herself to the person individually
-This revelation is present to us in "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya" light novel

[/Sauce for the Goose]

Here endeth the lesson.

3/29/2012 8:36:24 AM



Deepities.

3/29/2012 9:01:02 AM

Indigo

I think I died of laughter at Orion's Brony comment. It's so spot on because bronies seem to believe that.

nice one

3/29/2012 9:05:16 AM

Berny

You want to convert me from atheism. It's actually quite simple, show me proof for your claims that the Bible is accurate and true. The problem is you don't have any.
Atheism is grounded in reason. Christianity is grounded in wishful thinking.

3/29/2012 9:21:56 AM



We had a defined moral system before you! therefore morality is ours and everyone who does not think like us is immoral!

3/29/2012 10:27:47 AM



"-Everyone knows that God exists"

Therefore you cannot have faith in the existence of God, and by the words of Jesus if you don't have faith then you are hell-bound.

Well done, you have just asserted that you are going to hell and there is nothing you can do about it. (this is what happens when you think about what you say, rather than just spew out any old refuted crap)

3/29/2012 10:42:51 AM

Papabear

"-God exists"

Please provide proof.

"-Everyone knows that God exists"

Please provide proof. Until then, please do not tell me what I know, as you patently have no idea.

"-The unbeliever suppresses that God exists because he prefers sin"

Until you prove that God exists, we can safely assume there is no such thing as sin.

"-The unbeliever makes up reasons to justify his unbelief, implicitly or explicitly"

I have evidence to support my unbelief.

"-These excuses seem perfectly fine until God reveals himself to the person individually"

Yup, if God indeed revealed himself. Your delusions of God are not proof to me.

"-This revelation is present to us in the Bible"

The Bible is a badly written, badly edited, collection of ancient stories composed and collected by almost entirely by unknown authors. Most of the good ideas in the Bible were present in many societies which pre-date the Bible book authors. It has no authority but that which the deluded give it.

3/29/2012 11:16:20 AM

Osiris

You can say you believe that but what you believe is wrong, and fuck you and your high horse for thinking you have some right to tell people you have never met in you life what it is they believe.

3/29/2012 11:26:02 AM

Filin De Blanc

"in my opinion, NOT liking lesbians is a sin"

Agreed. They're adorable and awesome.

"The magic of friendship can be revealed and shared through My Little Pony episodes and the following of their teachings."

That makes way more sense than the Bible.

3/29/2012 11:27:36 AM



Fundies are arrogant pricks who think they no the mind of others example number 96,874,012.

3/29/2012 11:34:52 AM
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