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King: I watched another thing happen that is very troubling to me, and we’ve watched that, I’ll just dial this back and as a constitutional scholar you will be very familiar with Griswold v. Connecticut in 1965. There, the Supreme Court created a right to privacy that didn’t exist in the Constitution and by essentially ruling that contraceptives that were unlawful in Connecticut and Massachusetts, by the way, and a good number of other states, could not be made unlawful by the states.

We’ve come so far from that standpoint that states can’t outlaw contraceptives because of a manufactured, judicial activist right to privacy, and today we see some weeks ago the President of the United States step up to the podium with the great Seal of the United States on it and in a press conference he legislated by press conference. When he did the press conference and said, ‘ok, I’m going to make this accommodation to the Catholic Church and other religious institutions and no longer require you to provide contraceptives, sterilizations and abortion-causing drugs, I’m going to require the health insurance companies to do that for free.’ King George would have not had the audacity to do that, Rick.

Green: If that’s not totalitarianism I don’t know what is.

Rick Green & Steve King, Right Wing Watch 44 Comments [4/5/2012 3:14:10 AM]
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N. De Plume

If that’s not totalitarianism I don’t know what is.

How about actually oppressing the people? As opposed to stopping other organizations from that oppression?

4/5/2012 4:09:10 AM

Leighton Buzzard

You're right, Rick, you don't know what is.

4/5/2012 4:19:52 AM

Agahnim

So first wingnuts redefine liberal, socialist, and communist, and now they redefine totalitarianism? Ugh.

4/5/2012 4:40:54 AM

Reynardine

That's right. In ril uhMerikuh, types like these are supposed to be able to stick their long blue noses into our heads, our beds, and our undercrackers.

4/5/2012 4:51:58 AM

Atheissimo

I'm fed up of all the bad press King George gets, as if he was some kind of British Hitler.

The British monarchy at the time was one of the more liberal monarchies in Europe. They'd had a good deal of their power removed by force a couple of times (Magna Carta,the Civil War, the Glorious Revolution)

4/5/2012 5:04:56 AM

Mister Spak

"We’ve come so far from that standpoint that states can’t outlaw contraceptives because of a manufactured, judicial activist right to privacy,"

This fundie political correctness that the government can regulate the smallest details of your life is nanny stateism run amuck.

4/5/2012 5:32:03 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Not being allowed to outlaw something is not an infringement of privacy. Not being allowed to do something that harms nobody IS an infringement of privacy.

And now it has been confirmed that conservatives want to reverse every last progression that happened since their precious 1950s. Technically, this means that they aren't conservative anymore, but reactionary. So let me just repeat my assertion that anyone advocating this outside the United States would be rejected and pilloried by the general public. Why are non-Americans so much more intelligent than Americans? The American commenters on here, myself included, certainly do not speak for the majority of our countrymen. After all, these were the same people who elected Bush twice, the second time after it was proven that he was a screw-up. Our countrymen are also the same people who created the Tea Party and gave it positive media attention while at the same time ignoring or only giving negative media attention to genuinely grassroots liberal movements. Americans LIKE being right-wing nutjobs, and I don't think I will ever see that attitude change. They've been right-wing lunatics since before I was born, and probably will still be right-wing lunatics after I die.

4/5/2012 5:33:06 AM

Doubting Thomas

I swear, reading comments like this makes me want to bang my head against the desk. I can't believe anyone is so fucking stupid that they want to just willingly give up their constitutional rights. Fourth Amendment, bitch! No unreasonable search and seizure. If you don't think we have a constitutional right to privacy, then you won't mind the police coming into your house to do random searches, and you certainly won't mind the government forcing you to undergo random medical procedures.

I know, they only think that people don't have a right to privacy when it comes to controlling other people's sex lives, but idiots like this are willing to give away everyone's rights by voting for idiots like Santorum (who also claimed that Americans don't have a right to privacy). But the fact that idiots like this are voting for Republicans to take away our rights under the guise of smaller government makes me long for the total and utter destruction of the Republican party and conservatism in general.

4/5/2012 6:19:23 AM

dionysus

There, the Supreme Court created a right to privacy that didn’t exist in the Constitution

First off, the Constitution is an interpreted document and was meant to be so it doesn't literally have to say "right to privacy" in there. Just like it doesn't have to say "right to preach on a street corner" to be covered under the first amendment.

If that’s not totalitarianism I don’t know what is.

Because the first sign of totalitarianism is granting citizens a right to privacy and the ability to buy products that they want to use. Wait, that sounds like free market capitalism. Isn't that what YOU guys supposedly support? Why do I, as a liberal, seem to be more of a defender of free market capitalism than you, a conservative?

4/5/2012 6:36:38 AM

FinalArbiterOfMyMorality

You're right; you don't know what totalitarianism is.

4/5/2012 6:45:53 AM

freako104

It's not. And thus you fail.

4/5/2012 8:01:32 AM



You definitely don't know what totalitarianism is. Stop trying to redefine words.

4/5/2012 8:07:32 AM

David B.

Health insurance is provided to the person, not to the company. Requiring that an insurer not provide contraception services is no different to requiring they don't cover blood transfusions or that they only provide intercessionary prayer for cases of cancer.

4/5/2012 8:18:11 AM

breakerslion

@ Brendan Rizzo:

"Why are non-Americans so much more intelligent than Americans?"

Because per capita, there is a much lower incidence of children growing up in front of an electronic baby sitter, gnawing on Kaboom/Quisp/Quake/Sugar Smacks and drinking soda pop.

4/5/2012 8:29:11 AM

Papabear

Steve -- You're a prick.

Rick -- You're right, you don't know what totalitarianism is.

4/5/2012 9:57:16 AM



"If that’s not totalitarianism I don’t know what is."

Totalitarianism is what you right wing fuckwits are guilty of every time you try to control the reproductive rights of women in America.
Here's a newsflash, the Constitution and the Supreme Court have it right. You don't get to dictate to every person in the country based on your narrow-minded religious views.

4/5/2012 11:13:16 AM

Skyknight

@ Rizzo et al.: As far as I can tell, the "totalitarianism" is forcing people to be IN THE PRESENCE OF things chimeric to them. Remember the heavy emphasis in this culture on self-reliance; to need assistance for anything is a sign of failure of strength, resolve, and/or morals. Ultimately, it's because you should be able to act as though you lived in your own little pocket dimension, other than whatever you directly do for your salary. The alleged infringement is that they have to be CONSTANTLY REMINDED that they're not in this pocket dimension/gated community dimension. Hence, the constant "leave us alone" conceit; everything is interpreted in terms of whether they can do whatever they want, indeed WOULD want were there to be no outside input whatsoever. Which doesn't say THAT much to me about their respect for free will/volition; not only do they not seem to want to ever have to change their mind, they see the very suggestion that they should as atrocity. It might be a subtle difference, but they see liberty not so much in choosing one's own way, but in being able to keep to their alleged inborn nature. Volition vs. destiny, you could say.

4/5/2012 11:31:35 AM



i agree. you DONT know what totalitarianism is. i found the hunger games to be a good example.

what they say is true, the constitution doesn't guarantee a right to privacy. there is however, a section that says for search and seizure to be legal, it must be warranted. then it goes into detail about what is sufficient to acquire a warrant.this gives the impression that the founding fathers did not want the government to invade peoples privacy. they are not doing that, they are holding out a piece of bread to a starving person, and allowing them to decide to take it themselves, they are not holding an interview to ask why they are starving, to decide whether or not they are WORTHY of the charity.

the church has nothing to complain about. they are not being forced to leave condoms out, so what the hell are they complaining about?

4/5/2012 11:34:44 AM

Zimmer

According to wingnuts, an increase in freedom (especially for women) equals totalitarianism.

In other news, war is peace, ignorance is strength, etc.

4/5/2012 11:52:03 AM

OhJohnNo

Why do Americans react with such terror to the idea of a government actually doing its job and laying down the law across the nation?

4/5/2012 12:38:55 PM

Osiris

The president just said that religious organizations can't use their lobbying powers to prevent women from getting birth control and contraceptives. Usually the government curtailing the power of private interest groups to increase overall personal liberty of individuals is the OPPOSITE of totalitarianism, but what I do I know.

4/5/2012 12:51:12 PM

aaa

You people haven't been to a totalitarian state.

4/5/2012 1:05:25 PM

Skatepunk

Aw, geez.

To the GOP: the Blunt Amendment will be the END OF YOUR CAREER! Stop fighting contraception in 2012 or you will pay dearly for it in election year! Olympia Snowe keeps warning you that you are fighting a losing battle! LISTEN TO HER!

Not only did you piss off women, you pissed off men who support these women (like me).

4/5/2012 1:19:28 PM

thatotherguy

So wait.

Because the states aren't allowed to outlaw something, the US is being totalitarian? For allowing people to do something? That's the opposite of totalitarian!

4/5/2012 1:20:36 PM

Old Viking

I must question the intelligence of someone who considers the availability of contraceptives to be a major issue.

4/5/2012 2:56:33 PM
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