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[part of a response to someone who is depressed and self injuring]

Take a good hard look at what Paul is saying. He was not only depressed, but he wanted to die. He felt that life was not worth living. Now notice what he says is the reason he felt that way; so that he would learn to lean on the Lord. Now if the Apostle Paul had to learn that lesson, why would we think we don't need to?

Get rid of the sin in your life, then learn to lean on God. Forget the secular diagnosis you have been given, they are not physical and therefore they are not worth living with. Bulimia is also a sin. It is a sin because it shows the self centered nature of the person. The person who is bulimic is concerned about self instead of what God wants. Confess it and ask God to help you. When the secular world gives people these kinds of diagnosis all they are doing is calling sin a disease, which keeps people from going to the place they need to go; the foot of the cross.



ralph, behindthebadge 52 Comments [5/8/2012 3:12:57 AM]
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Amadaun

Okay, seriously. That's not okay. You can't tell people everything is their fault and they should take on more shame when they're already hurting themselves, and it's also pretty low to set conversion hooks into people feeling this bad.

And bulimia is not a sign of thinking too much of yourself, although it may be a sign one needs to find something to distract one from thoughts of self-worth in general, since they are damagingly negative. It's definitely not a sign you need to be harder on yourself.

You'd just be being an ass, except this person is apparently really fragile right now. So watch it. Grrrr.

...also, first?

5/8/2012 3:29:39 AM

Agahnim

What's with fundies focusing on Paul way more than Jesus? It's Christianity, not Paulism.

5/8/2012 4:15:39 AM

rebel

You are despicable, that is all.

5/8/2012 4:23:32 AM

Meishayuri

Nice. Way to feel that Christian love on the suicidal or mentally ill. Wait, aren't they the same?

5/8/2012 4:26:25 AM

Philbert McAdamia

"The foot of the cross", eh? Is that where you get "The blood of the lamb" all over you?

5/8/2012 4:26:44 AM

Mister Spak

It's the same with cancer and pneumonia. They're caused by sin. Stop going to doctors and read a bible 20 hours a day. You'll be cured in no time.

5/8/2012 4:57:14 AM

Brendan Rizzo

Europe gave up these beliefs after Pasteur. WHY CAN'T AMERICA?!

5/8/2012 5:07:21 AM

Extraintrovert

Fundies reacting to someone in pain by insulting them and increasing their self-loathing, part 4,795

5/8/2012 5:28:27 AM

\m/>_<\m/

@Meishayuri: i think that there is a slight difference between the two, although for my part i was the latter before the former (cured finally, thanks for asking).

one can become suicidal following a great trauma (car crash, last man standing, those kinds of things)

and mental illness does not always lead to suicidal tendencies (autism, trisomy, or even just psychosis)

also, that post represents the scum of the earth right there

5/8/2012 5:38:26 AM

Leighton Buzzard

Well, if religion helps you with mental illness, that's fair enough, sometimes you take comfort where you can find it, but saying you must ignore all other help is just wrong, dude. Clinical depression is physical (although capable of being affected and relieved by non-physical things).

5/8/2012 5:46:22 AM

Dr.Shrinker

Do you suppose that Paul was feeding his followers a line? Paul had a real tendency to be overly-dramatic when he talked about himself in his letters. Plus, he acknowledged that he was not above pretending he was something he was not if it helped to win converts (1st Corinthians 9:20-22).

Frankly, when it came to depression, I suspect that Paul was as ignorant as you are.

5/8/2012 6:07:51 AM

Doubting Thomas

Now I understand why a certain depression chat room used to instantly ban anyone talking about religion or even anyone with a religious username.

5/8/2012 6:45:29 AM

Ryushikaze

@Rizzo: We DID give this stupidity up. These dumbasses are a regressive movement. Never forget that for an instant.

5/8/2012 6:46:29 AM

JSS

{Forget the secular diagnosis you have been given}

Aww. But secularism actually utilizes science, rationality, and well, sanity. This is unlike your religious, faith-healing, sin laced mumbo jumbo that has no basis in reality. Yes, I think I'll take the "secular diagnosis" thank you very much.

5/8/2012 7:12:36 AM

John

Get rid of the sin in your life, then learn to lean on God.

Darn right. When has anyone who has accepted Jesus as his personal savior ever died of cancer, had a child kidnapped and raped or had their home destroyed by a tornado? Once you lean on God, all your problems will be over. You'll get a promotion, you'll meet the love of your life, a big-ass F-350 Supercab with the 7.3L Powerstroke diesel and a wicked-looking pair of Smoker® exhaust stacks will appear in your driveway and you'll hit the Powerball jackpot. Unbelieving pikers like Bill Gates will drool with envy.[/sarcasm]

5/8/2012 7:48:34 AM

Matante

John, I'm confused, doesn't it require to forward God to eight friends before 48 hours to work?

5/8/2012 8:23:54 AM

Berny

Christianity is a shitty substitute for proper psychological councelling.

5/8/2012 9:29:37 AM

dionysus

Because telling a depressed, self-harming person that he's selfish and that everything is his fault is just what he fucking needs. Jackass.

5/8/2012 9:38:23 AM

checkmate

Now if the Apostle Paul had to learn that lesson, why would we think we don't need to?

Why?

Maybe because we couldn't give a shit about what this Paul guy did or said.

Why should I give a damn about some clown named Paul who lived 2000 years ago? Since when is he a mandatory example for what I should do?

5/8/2012 11:01:45 AM

Old Viking

"Holy Crap, Joe, that's a compound fracture."

"Yeah, hurts like hell."

"Let me take you to the hospital!"

"Oh, no. No thank you."

"Be reasonable,Joe. Where do you think you're going dragging your leg like that?"

"I'm taking it to the foot of the cross."

5/8/2012 12:08:27 PM

Mad_Jester

How the Hell this abusive know-nothing Bible-thumping God-bothering cockmitten ever got to be a cop, I will never know. I'm guessing the Mayor knocked up his cousin or something- there's no way this shitvalve ever passed a police academy psych test.

5/8/2012 1:45:17 PM

Extraintrovert

@Mad_Jester
Police forces throughout history and around the world have long been filled with thugs and bullies, usually utterly convinced that anything they do is automatically good and stubbornly ignoring the damage they cause. Of course, not every police person is like that, but it's hardly surprising that ralph here advocates victim-blaming, considering police do that all the time.

5/8/2012 6:25:47 PM

Sylvana

Well when the person in this story does end their life we will all be able to blame Ralph here. This is the kind of crap that pushes already unstable people over the edge.

5/8/2012 10:33:47 PM

Mihangel apYrs

@Agahnim

actually it is. Fundies quote from and allude to CHrist far less than the instructions written by (depressed, suicidal, woman-hating, probably self-loathing gay) Paul

5/8/2012 10:58:57 PM

Ebon

I do not know words in English to express my contempt for this person.

5/8/2012 11:03:36 PM
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