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#1391869
OhJohnNo
Deviantart? Seriously?
They really are spreading.
4/13/2012 3:25:13 AM
#1391870
Tempus
This is basically the Ron Paul/Pat Robertson Theory of Government in a nutshell--the bill of rights basically applies only if you're in a Post Office, national park, federal building, military base, or the District of Columbia. Everywhere else, and your rights are subject to popular approval. If your state happens to require membership in the Church of God as a legal prerequisite for voting, or if your state decides that being a Mormon is illegal--well, feel free to move.
@OhJohnNo: some of the funniest and scariest quotes here come from Deviantart. Not the most numerous, maybe--not compared to Rapture Ready, say--but they make up for it in sheer crazy.
4/13/2012 3:29:28 AM
#1391873
Creedence Leonore Gielgud
@OhJohnNo
Deviant Art is full of every kind of fucktard imaginable.
4/13/2012 3:35:28 AM
#1391875
Mudak
Could someone please enlighten me on what, exactly, the theory of "Darwinism" proposes? I'm not sure how to rebut it other than to say that you don't prove a scientific theory. Instead, you demonstrate whether it can be disproven. Intelligent Design doesn't even qualify as a scientific theory by virtue of the fact that it's not falsifiable.
4/13/2012 3:41:54 AM
#1391877
Filin De Blanc
"when will the government start mandating what version of science and history children can learn in school"
You mean they don't do that already? That's worrying.
4/13/2012 3:48:10 AM
#1391878
farpadokly
"what versions of science and history children can learn in school". There may be versions of history, but there are not really different versions of science. Science is science.
4/13/2012 3:53:58 AM
#1391879
OhJohnNo
OK, so there are 20 fucking pages of Deviantart quotes on here. I'm quite glad I remained ignorant of this up until now.
4/13/2012 3:56:23 AM
#1391882
The_L
The cross was on PUBLIC property. That was the whole point of the lawsuit.
4/13/2012 4:28:48 AM
#1391883
Frelus
Hmm... Intelligent Design has ANYTHING as evidence that it says the truth? I mean, evidence, not the opinions of people who lived 2000 ago? Right.
4/13/2012 4:28:55 AM
#1391887
Evil Monkey
"Slightly paranoid," Coonass?
4/13/2012 4:43:59 AM
#1391888
Reynardine
Presumably the government should mandate that what is taught as science, is science, and that what is taught as history is an at least plausible construct of it from whatever evidence we have. I don't really want my tax dollars being wasted on inculcating superstition.
4/13/2012 4:49:08 AM
#1391890
David B.
"on a slightly related note, it is completely constitutional for states of have an "official" church as long has the government doesn't stop people from attending other churches"
No, that bit about making no law establishing a religion? That specifically
means no official state church.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/193250/established-church
4/13/2012 4:57:14 AM
#1391891
Brendan Rizzo
There is literally more evidence for evolution than there is for gravity. Outside the United States, evolution deniers are treated with as little respect as flat earthers. So why are we even having this discussion?
4/13/2012 4:57:25 AM
#1391893
Mister Spak
"when intelligent design actually has more evidence to support it,"
Well, there's your problem right there. Evolution has 150 years worth of evidence, and creation has a sumerian creation myth to support it.
4/13/2012 5:12:30 AM
#1391894
D Laurier
@ Mudak.
Darwinism (or social darwinism) is a 19th century, socio/economic model, that postulates that a god named Gawd made rich men rich to reward them for being so good and virtuous. And he made poor men poor to punish them for being so evil and worthless.
It also postulates unlimited resources.
It is basicaly 19th century, british colonialism and industrialism, with a load of calvinist nonsense heaped on top to justify it's exesses.
YECs like to conflate it with science for some reason.
4/13/2012 5:18:38 AM
#1391896
Atheissimo
Yes, you're right.
What is going to happen is that your Christian President is going to use the majority Christian government to prevent the majority Christian country from worshipping how they want.
4/13/2012 5:24:07 AM
#1391898
"Coonass?!" Really?! C'mon, that's way too easy.
it is completely constitutional for states of have an "official" church as long has the government doesn't stop people from attending other churches
Wrong. The SCOTUS has applied most of the Bill of Rights to the states, most recently the 2nd Ammendment. This means the Establishment Clause of the 1st Ammendment most certainly applies to all 50 states. Even if all the residents were to vote for a "state religion," it would be ruled unconstitutional upon challenge. Here, read it for yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights
know longer construct a church where it is viewable from a road
They're doing this already but not for religious persecution. Rather, there are restrictions to maintain the asthetic and architectural consistency with the rest of the surrounding neighborhood.
when will the government start mandating what version of science and history children can learn in school
They do this already too with federal and state minimum curriculum standards for primary education.
4/13/2012 5:40:41 AM
#1391900
Swede
In order to become a scientific theory, there HAS to be evidence for it and it must be peer-review. If there is no evidence, it simply stays a hypothesis or is thrown out completely.
Children should learn history and science based on reality.
If intelligent design is to be taught in Biology, then astrology should be taught in Cosmology, and Trekkism should be taught in Religion.
Yup, you're slightly paranoid alright. Sweden is one of the least religious countries in the world; you can still build a church beside a road here, and children are taught reality-based history and science in school.
4/13/2012 5:47:28 AM
#1391916
Jeff Weskamp
D Laurier: "Darwinism (or social darwinism) is a 19th century, socio/economic model, that postulates that a god named Gawd made rich men rich to reward them for being so good and virtuous. And he made poor men poor to punish them for being so evil and worthless.
"It also postulates unlimited resources.
"It is basicaly 19th century, british colonialism and industrialism, with a load of calvinist nonsense heaped on top to justify it's exesses."
Sounds more like 21st century Republican and Evangelical ideology!
4/13/2012 6:26:41 AM
#1391917
TheLastCenturion
"I'm not advocating any kind of state run religion, but i think the united states should be a christian theocracy!"
4/13/2012 6:36:50 AM
#1391918
Iel
Aw, c'mon, it's my birthday.
Can't the stupid fundies fuck with the First Amendment some other time, and give me homophobia today? I'd been hoping I could bitch about that today...
(but at least there was an update! That pleases me immensely.
4/13/2012 6:36:56 AM
#1391920
John
on a slightly related note, it is completely constitutional for states of have an "official" church as long has the government doesn't stop people from attending other churches
No it's not. Here's what the First Amendment means by "establishment of religion": "ESTABLISHED CHURCH: a church recognized by law as the official church of a nation or state ..." (Merriam-Webster) The 14th Amendment applies the US Constitution to the states.
the ACLU recently tried to have a cross removed because, even though it was on private property it was viewable from public property
No they didn't. You made that up or read it from some fool on the Internet.
intelligent design actually has more evidence to support it
No it doesn't. It has no evidence to support it. It's an entirely negative argument: "you can't prove evolution to my satisfaction; therefore by default, God must have done it."
4/13/2012 6:45:18 AM
#1391923
Horsefeathers
"I'm not advocating any kind of state run religion (however, on a slightly related note, it is completely constitutional for states of have an "official" church as long has the government doesn't stop people from attending other churches.)."
I'm pretty sure that States can't have their own Church. Even if the State Constitution allowed it, the U.S. Constitution supersedes it.
"However, the ACLU recently tried to have a cross removed because, even though it was on private property it was viewable from public property, a street I think."
I find this highly unlikely. It does sound like a religious urban legend though.
"I also think its kind of suspect that Obama is for Darwinism, but against intelligent design, when intelligent design actually has more evidence to support it, (neither theory has been proven)."
Obama, being an intelligent person, accepts "Darwinism," as you put it, because it's the best explanation for the evidence we have.
Intelligent Design has no evidence at all.
No theory is ever "proven."
"Its subtle things like this that make me worried about the future, i mean, will there come a time when you can know longer construct a church where it is viewable from a road, and when will the government start mandating what version of science and history children can learn in school."
I'm really not sure where you people get this stuff, but you should probably put it back. Quickly.
"I figure this sounds slightly paranoid, but its where were headed."
Yes, yes. We need a "Good Christian" in charge, like that last guy we had. Right?
4/13/2012 6:57:19 AM
#1391924
"I'm not advocating any kind of state run religion (however, on a slightly related note, it is completely constitutional for states of have an "official" church as long has the government doesn't stop people from attending other churches.)."
On a very related note, you're a moron who has never read, or at least never understood, the constitution.
"...when intelligent design actually has more evidence to support it,..."
When will that be exactly? Right now, ID has NO evidence to support it. More evidence of your being a moron though.
"I figure this sounds slightly paranoid..."
Uh huh. Fear of events not supported by evidence. Yup, that's paranoid.
4/13/2012 6:58:17 AM
#1391925
emau99
it is completely constitutional for states of have an "official" church as long has the government doesn't stop people from attending other churches.
So all religions are equal, but some are more equal than others? I don't think so, Coonass.
Please explain the Treaty of Tripoli.
intelligent design actually has more evidence to support it
Yet, despite years of making such claims, no ID supporters have provided any such evidence.
(neither theory has been proven).
Please define the word "theory", and explain how it's being used here.
4/13/2012 6:58:37 AM
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