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I'm not advocating any kind of state run religion (however, on a slightly related note, it is completely constitutional for states of have an "official" church as long has the government doesn't stop people from attending other churches.). However, the ACLU recently tried to have a cross removed because, even though it was on private property it was viewable from public property, a street I think. I also think its kind of suspect that Obama is for Darwinism, but against intelligent design, when intelligent design actually has more evidence to support it, (neither theory has been proven). Its subtle things like this that make me worried about the future, i mean, will there come a time when you can know longer construct a church where it is viewable from a road, and when will the government start mandating what version of science and history children can learn in school. I figure this sounds slightly paranoid, but its where were headed.

Coonass, Deviantart 55 Comments [4/13/2012 3:20:41 AM]
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OhJohnNo

Deviantart? Seriously?

They really are spreading.

4/13/2012 3:25:13 AM

Tempus

This is basically the Ron Paul/Pat Robertson Theory of Government in a nutshell--the bill of rights basically applies only if you're in a Post Office, national park, federal building, military base, or the District of Columbia. Everywhere else, and your rights are subject to popular approval. If your state happens to require membership in the Church of God as a legal prerequisite for voting, or if your state decides that being a Mormon is illegal--well, feel free to move.

@OhJohnNo: some of the funniest and scariest quotes here come from Deviantart. Not the most numerous, maybe--not compared to Rapture Ready, say--but they make up for it in sheer crazy.

4/13/2012 3:29:28 AM

Creedence Leonore Gielgud

@OhJohnNo

Deviant Art is full of every kind of fucktard imaginable.

4/13/2012 3:35:28 AM

Mudak

Could someone please enlighten me on what, exactly, the theory of "Darwinism" proposes? I'm not sure how to rebut it other than to say that you don't prove a scientific theory. Instead, you demonstrate whether it can be disproven. Intelligent Design doesn't even qualify as a scientific theory by virtue of the fact that it's not falsifiable.

4/13/2012 3:41:54 AM

Filin De Blanc

"when will the government start mandating what version of science and history children can learn in school"

You mean they don't do that already? That's worrying.

4/13/2012 3:48:10 AM

farpadokly

"what versions of science and history children can learn in school". There may be versions of history, but there are not really different versions of science. Science is science.

4/13/2012 3:53:58 AM

OhJohnNo

OK, so there are 20 fucking pages of Deviantart quotes on here. I'm quite glad I remained ignorant of this up until now.

4/13/2012 3:56:23 AM

The_L

The cross was on PUBLIC property. That was the whole point of the lawsuit.

4/13/2012 4:28:48 AM

Frelus

Hmm... Intelligent Design has ANYTHING as evidence that it says the truth? I mean, evidence, not the opinions of people who lived 2000 ago? Right.

4/13/2012 4:28:55 AM

Evil Monkey

"Slightly paranoid," Coonass?

4/13/2012 4:43:59 AM

Reynardine

Presumably the government should mandate that what is taught as science, is science, and that what is taught as history is an at least plausible construct of it from whatever evidence we have. I don't really want my tax dollars being wasted on inculcating superstition.

4/13/2012 4:49:08 AM

David B.

"on a slightly related note, it is completely constitutional for states of have an "official" church as long has the government doesn't stop people from attending other churches"

No, that bit about making no law establishing a religion? That specifically means no official state church.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/193250/established-church

4/13/2012 4:57:14 AM

Brendan Rizzo

There is literally more evidence for evolution than there is for gravity. Outside the United States, evolution deniers are treated with as little respect as flat earthers. So why are we even having this discussion?

4/13/2012 4:57:25 AM

Mister Spak

"when intelligent design actually has more evidence to support it,"

Well, there's your problem right there. Evolution has 150 years worth of evidence, and creation has a sumerian creation myth to support it.

4/13/2012 5:12:30 AM

D Laurier

@ Mudak.
Darwinism (or social darwinism) is a 19th century, socio/economic model, that postulates that a god named Gawd made rich men rich to reward them for being so good and virtuous. And he made poor men poor to punish them for being so evil and worthless.
It also postulates unlimited resources.
It is basicaly 19th century, british colonialism and industrialism, with a load of calvinist nonsense heaped on top to justify it's exesses.

YECs like to conflate it with science for some reason.

4/13/2012 5:18:38 AM

Atheissimo

Yes, you're right.

What is going to happen is that your Christian President is going to use the majority Christian government to prevent the majority Christian country from worshipping how they want.

4/13/2012 5:24:07 AM



"Coonass?!" Really?! C'mon, that's way too easy.

it is completely constitutional for states of have an "official" church as long has the government doesn't stop people from attending other churches

Wrong. The SCOTUS has applied most of the Bill of Rights to the states, most recently the 2nd Ammendment. This means the Establishment Clause of the 1st Ammendment most certainly applies to all 50 states. Even if all the residents were to vote for a "state religion," it would be ruled unconstitutional upon challenge. Here, read it for yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights

know longer construct a church where it is viewable from a road

They're doing this already but not for religious persecution. Rather, there are restrictions to maintain the asthetic and architectural consistency with the rest of the surrounding neighborhood.

when will the government start mandating what version of science and history children can learn in school

They do this already too with federal and state minimum curriculum standards for primary education.

4/13/2012 5:40:41 AM

Swede

In order to become a scientific theory, there HAS to be evidence for it and it must be peer-review. If there is no evidence, it simply stays a hypothesis or is thrown out completely.

Children should learn history and science based on reality.
If intelligent design is to be taught in Biology, then astrology should be taught in Cosmology, and Trekkism should be taught in Religion.

Yup, you're slightly paranoid alright. Sweden is one of the least religious countries in the world; you can still build a church beside a road here, and children are taught reality-based history and science in school.

4/13/2012 5:47:28 AM

Jeff Weskamp

D Laurier: "Darwinism (or social darwinism) is a 19th century, socio/economic model, that postulates that a god named Gawd made rich men rich to reward them for being so good and virtuous. And he made poor men poor to punish them for being so evil and worthless.

"It also postulates unlimited resources.

"It is basicaly 19th century, british colonialism and industrialism, with a load of calvinist nonsense heaped on top to justify it's exesses."

Sounds more like 21st century Republican and Evangelical ideology!

4/13/2012 6:26:41 AM

TheLastCenturion

"I'm not advocating any kind of state run religion, but i think the united states should be a christian theocracy!"

4/13/2012 6:36:50 AM

Iel

Aw, c'mon, it's my birthday.

Can't the stupid fundies fuck with the First Amendment some other time, and give me homophobia today? I'd been hoping I could bitch about that today...

(but at least there was an update! That pleases me immensely.

4/13/2012 6:36:56 AM

John

on a slightly related note, it is completely constitutional for states of have an "official" church as long has the government doesn't stop people from attending other churches

No it's not. Here's what the First Amendment means by "establishment of religion": "ESTABLISHED CHURCH: a church recognized by law as the official church of a nation or state ..." (Merriam-Webster) The 14th Amendment applies the US Constitution to the states.

the ACLU recently tried to have a cross removed because, even though it was on private property it was viewable from public property

No they didn't. You made that up or read it from some fool on the Internet.

intelligent design actually has more evidence to support it

No it doesn't. It has no evidence to support it. It's an entirely negative argument: "you can't prove evolution to my satisfaction; therefore by default, God must have done it."

4/13/2012 6:45:18 AM

Horsefeathers

"I'm not advocating any kind of state run religion (however, on a slightly related note, it is completely constitutional for states of have an "official" church as long has the government doesn't stop people from attending other churches.)."

I'm pretty sure that States can't have their own Church. Even if the State Constitution allowed it, the U.S. Constitution supersedes it.

"However, the ACLU recently tried to have a cross removed because, even though it was on private property it was viewable from public property, a street I think."

I find this highly unlikely. It does sound like a religious urban legend though.

"I also think its kind of suspect that Obama is for Darwinism, but against intelligent design, when intelligent design actually has more evidence to support it, (neither theory has been proven)."

Obama, being an intelligent person, accepts "Darwinism," as you put it, because it's the best explanation for the evidence we have.

Intelligent Design has no evidence at all.

No theory is ever "proven."

"Its subtle things like this that make me worried about the future, i mean, will there come a time when you can know longer construct a church where it is viewable from a road, and when will the government start mandating what version of science and history children can learn in school."

I'm really not sure where you people get this stuff, but you should probably put it back. Quickly.

"I figure this sounds slightly paranoid, but its where were headed."

Yes, yes. We need a "Good Christian" in charge, like that last guy we had. Right?

4/13/2012 6:57:19 AM



"I'm not advocating any kind of state run religion (however, on a slightly related note, it is completely constitutional for states of have an "official" church as long has the government doesn't stop people from attending other churches.)."

On a very related note, you're a moron who has never read, or at least never understood, the constitution.

"...when intelligent design actually has more evidence to support it,..."

When will that be exactly? Right now, ID has NO evidence to support it. More evidence of your being a moron though.

"I figure this sounds slightly paranoid..."

Uh huh. Fear of events not supported by evidence. Yup, that's paranoid.

4/13/2012 6:58:17 AM

emau99

it is completely constitutional for states of have an "official" church as long has the government doesn't stop people from attending other churches.

So all religions are equal, but some are more equal than others? I don't think so, Coonass.

Please explain the Treaty of Tripoli.

intelligent design actually has more evidence to support it

Yet, despite years of making such claims, no ID supporters have provided any such evidence.

(neither theory has been proven).

Please define the word "theory", and explain how it's being used here.

4/13/2012 6:58:37 AM
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