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There is just as much...in fact MORE...evidence for exactly what Russ Miller is claiming than what "modern" geology can claim.

Laying down the layers of the Geologic Column? That could ONLY have been done rapidly and in the presence of much water and continual vibration (earthquake-like). Dr. Walt Brown describes the process in his book In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood.

There are so many things explained plausibly by Dr. Brown that "modern" geology and "evolutionary science" either cannot or will not explain, it is laughable that evolution continues to be taught as fact, when it is merely the pipe dream of those who want to disavow God.

As I said before, sad & pathetic...

Timberwolf, Where Liberty Dwells 31 Comments [4/16/2012 3:22:33 AM]
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Mikgof

Sad and pathetic sums it up alright. But the shoe is on the other foot. The overwhelming majority of Christians accept the findings of Science. It's a small minority that have to twist facts to suit their own distorted world view. Sad and pathetic.

4/16/2012 3:36:50 AM

gravematter

"Plausibly"? This is Walt Brown, who believes that the Earth's crust once floated on a layer of water. It's one of the most laughable ideas ever, and considering that the man has a degree in mechanical engineering from MIT, it seems hard to believe that even he could believe in its plausability.

4/16/2012 4:01:41 AM

\m/>_<\m/

flood?? again?? urg, wasn't that shit debunked by their camp? (AiG, iirc?)

4/16/2012 4:10:17 AM

Leighton Buzzard

That could ONLY have been done rapidly and in the presence of much water and continual vibration

Bollocks. Sediments get laid down all the time.

4/16/2012 4:18:42 AM

Extraintrovert

Shiny mirror on the wall...

Seriously though, you are painfully ignorant and the product of a dangerously anti-intellectual society. Nothing you say has any relevance to anything.

4/16/2012 4:36:48 AM

Brendan Rizzo

It's sad and pathetic that you will look at what the actual evidence says and then claim the opposite.

4/16/2012 4:58:18 AM

Reynardine

Poor Dr. Rollin D. Salisbury. All his labor in the Nineteenth Century to educate people about physiography...and we get this in the Twenty-First.

4/16/2012 5:51:39 AM

Mister Spak

"There are so many things explained plausibly"

Goddiddit is not plausible. Unless you also want to include Harry Potter waved his wand.


4/16/2012 5:55:00 AM

Agahnim

They explain enough. They have evidence. Flood geology and creationism don't have any evidence. They say God did it but only have assertions. Occam's razor says to take the simplest solution; here we should take the side supported by mounds of evidence and modern science and discard the only only supported by mere assertions.

4/16/2012 6:10:06 AM

The Duelist

Thanks for describing yourself and your fellows there at the end, Tim. Because asserting that your interpretation of the evidence is superior with no data backing it up is really sad and pathetic. Plus, if the flood happened as described in the bible, humanity would have gone extinct since you can't repopulate and speciate with only 18 total survivors.

4/16/2012 6:26:13 AM

The Duelist

And by the way...

"it is laughable that evolution continues to be taught as fact, when it is merely the pipe dream of those who want to disavow God."

Evolution has been observed thousands of times in the lab and in nature. We're still waiting to see your imaginary god create life from dirt. Now shut the fuck up, half-wit.

4/16/2012 6:28:10 AM

Papabear

Sad & pathetic, indeed.

4/16/2012 6:57:25 AM

OhJohnNo

Modern geology actually has a very clear and obvious explanation: the Forerunners did it. As for the Flood, well, we all know about them.


4/16/2012 7:19:55 AM

Dr. Razark

Speaking with all the knowledge and authority gained from a one semester high school geology class 20 years ago:

You're wrong. So very wrong.

4/16/2012 7:31:38 AM

ScrappyB

@gravematter

Bwuh? He thinks the crust floated on WATER? That has got to be one of the stupidest geology fails in the history of mankind. In what reality is water more dense than rock?

4/16/2012 8:05:22 AM

ScrappyB

@The Duelist

There have been cases where species have been repopulated from a very low number of individuals. The California condor comes to mind. But that was with intense human intervention and strict breeding records.

Not to mention how with only two of each animal, the larger predators would have eaten the last of their prey and then starved to death.

Plus let's not forget all the parasites those survivors would have had to carry, cause tapeworms and liver flukes are animals too.

4/16/2012 8:29:18 AM

Berny

Flood geology is horseshit piled on top of bullshit. "Dr" Walt Brown is NOT a geologist and that is the beginning of the mountain of fail that is his book.

4/16/2012 8:38:35 AM

Osiris

Number 1: while important to the field of paleontology, which heavily relies on evolution for anything in paleontology to make any sense at all, the formation of the Earth's geological layers has nothing to do with the veracity of evolution.

Number 2: The geological column, as uncovered by geologists and paleontologists, demonstrates that there is a very clear trend of increasing complexity as you go up. The oldest fossils are colonies of single-celled bacteria and the most recent fossils are mammalian megafuana. This holds true for plants and fungus as well as animals and is precisely what we would expect to see if evolution were to be true, and is the exact opposite of what we would expect if all life was created spontaneously, ex nihlo. There is simply no way creationism can account for this, so creationists simply rely on baseless assertions like the ones you just made.

4/16/2012 10:25:56 AM

Doubting Thomas

What's sad and pathetic is how they claim that the geologic layers could have ONLY been done rapidly in the presence of a lot of water, yet they never prove it. Nor do they explain why all the simple organisms are buried a lot deeper than the more modern and complex organisms, nor do you ever find a human buried in the same strata with a dinosaur.

4/16/2012 10:48:52 AM

breakerslion

Oh, imagine that! Lunatics can write. Still, the question remains: Did he type, or just babble incessantly into voice-to-text software?

I'm going to go see if I can get my Delorean up to 88 MPH while drinking a Cel-Ray Soda.

4/16/2012 11:14:56 AM

Philbert McAdamia

As I said before, sad & pathetic...

TW, is that your sigline?

4/16/2012 11:23:12 AM

Fawful has seen God has a vagina on top of his penis

Doctor Brown? You mean him?


4/16/2012 3:22:46 PM

The_L

You've never seen the aftermath of a flood, have you? The mud washed in by rapid flooding is never in neat layers, nor is it conveniently sorted by type, as fossils in geological strata are.

Basically, if all the geological strata had been laid down at once:

1. No fossils would have survived, as the water pressure required would have pulverized the bones into powder.

2. There wouldn't be neat layers, either. The mud that washes up from flooding tends to be remarkably homogeneous.

3. While it seems plausible at first to describe a water vapor canopy above the earth as the source of the "waters above," what this idea fails to take into account is that water vapor is not the same as it's less-dense gaseous counterpart, steam. In other words, water vapor is exactly as heavy as ordinary liquid water. The weight of the amount of water required for 40 days and nights of torrential flooding is too great for it to have ever stayed up there in the first place. The "firmament" is physically impossible.

4. Even if a firmament were possible, or the "extra" water came from a comet or something, that would mean a LOT less water on Earth before the Deluge: too little for the amounts and types of life that were on Earth around the time the boat was invented.

Noah's flood is impossible even before we get to the ark part.

@ScrappyB: There is water in the earth's mantle, and water underground, but not nearly as much as this idiot thinks there is.

4/16/2012 4:12:00 PM

John

That could ONLY have been done rapidly and in the presence of much water and continual vibration

Nonsense. An accumulation of dust or sand or anything else tells you nothing about how long it took. But it does tell you in what order the accumulation happened. I mean, if you come out and find a layer of yellow dust on your car, and the dust is on top of a spot of bird crap, you don't have to be Sherlock to figure that the bird must have crapped on your car before the yellow dust settled on it. We knew that much hundreds of years before Darwin, when the geologic column was established by creationists.

4/16/2012 5:37:39 PM

ScrappyB

I know there is water underground, but that's because some rock is porous and water is pulled down into cavities by gravity. The only ways for the idea to work the way this idiot thinks would be for water to have a greater density than rock, or if the rock layer were completely impervious so the water could not escape as water or steam. They're both completely ludicrous.

4/16/2012 5:43:40 PM
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