The Lack of an Ancient Evolution story proves evolution isn’t true
There are creation stories, flood stories, miracle stories and God stories that go way back in time, and passed down by oral tradition and then to ancient writings, however there is no evolution story. If evolution were true we should have at least some evolution stories passed down through the generations through oral tradition that our ancestors came from the trees and from an ape like creature.
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let DOOM try and get this straight.
Have you ever seen or heard of any animal other than Homo Sapiens (Humans, to you) ever pass down stories via written or oral tradition?
Then why would you expect this to happen when modern Humans didn't exist?
And the lack of an ancient heliocentrism story proves that the Earth is the center of the universe, right?
Oh wait, forget I said anything; you're so stupid you may well use that argument!
By the same token, the computer you use to read and write stuff on the internet doesn't exist because there aren't any ancient stories about it, or microchips, or electricity.
Oh, and from Wikipedia: "Evolutionary thought, the conception that species change over time, has roots in antiquity, in the ideas of the ancient Greeks, Romans, and Chinese as well as in medieval Islamic science." Not ancient enough for you?
The change is too gradual and too slow for that, stupid.
Are you saying that all those creation stories are true?
Dont forget....xians also have passed other stories and oral traditions down that are much more recent. So they are probably even more likely to be true. Witches flying on brooms, vampires, werewolves, black cats conspiring with witches, etc.
Just because a story is old, doesn't mean it is true, and just because a discovery is new, that doesn't make it false.
>>I aint no monkey<<
No, you aren't. And neither am I or any other human.
We are homo sapiens sapiens , a type of ape closely related to the two chimpanzee species. It has been suggested that homo and pan should be considered a single genus rather a tribe, but that's simply semantics on the phylogenetic tree. We last had a common ancestor with the chimps ~5 million years ago; with the rest of the great apes (gorilla and orangutan) around 14 million years ago; and with the lesser apes (sixteen species of gibbon) around 18 million years ago.
The last time that we had a common ancestor with the Old World monkeys was ~30 million years ago; with the New World monkeys ~40 million years ago; and with the lemurs ~63 million years ago (it's tempting to think that the 63 mya divergence is a consequence of the post-giant-impact proliferation of mammalian species).
We haven't been monkeys for a long long time.
>>Leighton Buzzard
IIRC there are people in SE Asia who venerate the local monkeys because they reckon they descended from them. <<
There are the vanara in the Hindu epics, most notably Hanuman. But I didn't think that they were supposed to have been the ancestors of humanity.
The thing is, despite the fact that the whole argument is a massive non-sequitur, even 'I ain't no match for a Monkey's premis is incorrect, there are plenty of old folk tales that describe why certain animal characteristics came about. The possum's bare tail, the terrapin's shell, the kangaroo's pouch, are all the subject of very old stories that say how they came to be, Kipling's Just So tales are simply modern examples of a very old tradition.
The important thing here is that all these stories have animals that are mutable in form. They weren't created as they are now, but instead took on their current characteristics because of some misadventure. Stories of animals changing form over time are as old, if not older, than the creation myths of the Abrahamic religions.
There are ancient stories about these Egyptian and Greek gods, too. Are those true?
So because a few other pagan religions had flood stories there is UNDENIABLE proof that Yahweh created this earth in six days in the image of himself. That's your problem right here, every one of your Intelligent Design theories (Even the ones that try so hard to distance themselves from Christianity) always end with "And thus we know the Christian god created this earth in 6 days as the bible says
There are plenty of ancient legends about aliens visiting the earth, but none about solar wind or cosmic microwave background radiation, so those must be bullshit.
It must hurt to be so stupid.
What. The. Actual. Fuck.
We've been breeding livestock for over 8000 years, by 5000 years ago many knew sucessive generations could be improved (bigger, smarter, more docile, faster, more wool yield, etc) in contrast especially to inbreed herds which would produce problems.
This is the basics of our understanding of genetics, that and the fact our children resemble us and human family groups carry similiar features. Darwin refined an already known concept by realizing nature itself was capable of changing species forms over generations and that these changes would eventually accumilate and forever seperate populations traits which were seperated by distance and time.
You theologists love to dirty up Darwins theories by pretending Hitlers plans of a master race are related to Darwins theory. Fact is: breeding stronger, smarter, blonde and blue-eyed Germans was a simple case of controlling breeding in the proven and time honored tradition of livestock breeding. This is why he wanted to remove, not just the Jews, but all other races from Germany, including the Gypsys who had become multi-racial even back then.
This is officially the stupidest argument against evolution I've ever heard, and that's saying a lot.
"I ain't no monkey"
WRONG. You aren't a monkey. "Ain't no" is a double negative indicating that you in fact are a monkey.
And no biologist believes that we are monkeys. We share a common ancestor with monkeys. But we're more closely related to the Great Apes particularly chimps and bonobos.
The lack of an ancient evolution story only 'proves' that evolution is a concept ancient humans didn't have. As a biochemist, I despair. I'm pig-sick of trying to explain all the evidence for evolution - and there is a LOT, especially at the molecular level.
Evolution happens too slowly to create stories among ancient tribes. Each generation only lived about 40 years, they didn't have time to observe hundreds of thousands of years.
The reason there are creation stories is that ancient people was curious about where they came from and where they go, so they fantasized about it a lot, and came up with more or less fantastical stories involving magical beings. People lived much more isolated than they do today, so there were lots and lots of different stories, and The Whole World was everything that you could reach in a years travel by foot.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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