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My argument all along has been that the purpose of the First Amendment is to protect the free exercise of the Christian religion.

One evidence that [the Founding Fathers] were not dealing ... they weren't even intending to deal with non-Christian religions is what they did with Mormonism in the latter part of the nineteenth century. Mormonism - they call themselves by the name of Christ, but it is not an orthodox Christian network of churches, it just is not. Mormonism is not an orthodox Christian faith. It just is not. They have a different Gospel, they have a completely different definition of who Christ is and so forth, I mean, the list could be multiplied endlessly.

And it was very clear that the Founding Fathers did not intend to preserve automatically religious liberty for non-Christian faiths, so when Mormonism came along, they practiced polygamy, they believed in polygamy, just like Muslims do today.

Bryan Fischer, Right Wing Watch 33 Comments [4/20/2012 3:19:47 AM]
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Lizuka

Mormons are Christian, the founders were not, and Islam was around back then and they were well-aware of it.

4/20/2012 3:50:16 AM

jsonitsac

1. Joseph Smith started the Mormons in the 1830s and was discriminated against by people other than the Founding Fathers.

2. "Where the preamble [of the Virginia Statue for Religious Freedom (the basis of the First Amendment)] declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination."
-Thomas Jefferson

4/20/2012 4:13:28 AM

Leighton Buzzard

Incoherent shit. AFAIK, the LDS wasn't ever officially suppressed by government. Some of their practices were deemed illegal, and sometimes they were attacked by mobs and assassins, but that ain't the same thing.

4/20/2012 4:28:27 AM

Amadan

The last state barrier to Jews holding public office (in New Hampshire) wasn't eliminated until 1877. I bet the Founders meant us to draw a lesson from that too, Bryan?

4/20/2012 4:51:32 AM

Mister Spak

"My argument all along has been that the purpose of the First Amendment is to protect the free exercise of the Christian religion. "

Find the words 'christian' or 'bible' or 'Jesus' in the constitution. You can't!

Know why? Because they aren't there.

4/20/2012 5:01:12 AM



My argument all along has been that the purpose of the First Amendment is to protect the free exercise of the Christian religion.

When one reads the 1st Ammendment's Free-Exercise Clause, "...nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" there are two possibilities one can imagine:

1) The Founding Fathers did intend for the 1st Ammendment to apply only to Christianity. If so, then it is to their utter failure and near-sightedness that they did not explicitly express as such in the Bill of Rights. The "Invasion of Islam" and "Sharia creep" can be directly and squarely blamed on the Founding Fathers for preventing this by including the necessary qualifier in the 1st Ammendment language.

2) They truly intended freedom for all religions, not just Christianity.

4/20/2012 5:14:51 AM

Brendan Rizzo

This is the last time we will say this, Bryan. Many of the Founding Fathers were deists. They weren't going to give Christianity special treatment.

Also, I find it strange that the only people who call out the LDS church on its obviously fraudulent origins are frauds themselves.

4/20/2012 5:20:23 AM

Canadiest

How many cults have been born out of Fundamentalist churchs with leaders who took many wives as it's BIBLICALLY supported?
Fucking Hypocrites all y'all.

That type of marriage agreements (and incest and underage marriages)would be rampant were it not for secular laws based on non-religious values.

Your Christianity has no high ground in morals or actions, no matter what sect you've allied yourself with.


4/20/2012 5:35:48 AM

dionysus

Even if we assume that the founding fathers meant "freedom of religion, but only for Christians", tough nuts, they didn't write that, they wrote freedom of all (or at least unspecified) religion into our laws and Constitution. If it was a mistake then the founders should have proof-read it because now the Constitution, as written, is legally binding. If the founders only wanted Christians to have freedom then they fucked up and now you have to suck it up because the only way to change it now is through revolution and the US has that giant military budget you fundie Christians keep insisting it must have. How does it feel to be hoisted by your own petard not once, but twice? >:).

4/20/2012 6:14:51 AM

Doubting Thomas

Guess you've never heard of the Establishment Clause. Just further proof that fundies think that "freedom of religion" really means "freedom of Christianity."

4/20/2012 7:21:42 AM

Fundies Make Me Sick

"My argument all along has been that the purpose of the First Amendment is to protect the free exercise of the Christian religion."

Your argument is invalid. The First Amendment protects the free exercise of ALL religions. This county was not founded as a Christian nation. You are wrong, you are a bigot, and have a sociopathic attitude. I sincerely hope you die soon.

4/20/2012 7:34:50 AM

Osiris

Treaty of Tripoli.

4/20/2012 7:42:23 AM

Paler_Face

My argument all along has been that the purpose of the First Amendment is to protect the free exercise of the Christian religion.

Along with all other possible religious positions, including momroonism, and not having any.
Your personal distaste for mormonism does not translate to law just because you want it to.

4/20/2012 7:47:41 AM

Thinking Allowed

Let's see...

The U.S. Constitution was finally ratified on on June 21, 1788. The LDS church was formed on April 6, 1830. For that matter, the founder of the LDS church Joseph Smith was born on December 23, 1805, 22 year AFTER the Constitution was ratified. I think you're failing somewhere there.

4/20/2012 7:56:19 AM

Dr.Shrinker

"My argument all along has been that the purpose of the First Amendment is to protect the free exercise of the Christian religion."

- Then your argument has been wrong all along.

4/20/2012 7:57:27 AM

Mystik Spiral


4/20/2012 9:00:29 AM

John_in_Oz

Oh noes! They practised polygamous marriage just like the kind the Jews practised in Jesus time which Jesus spoke in favour of in the Bible!

4/20/2012 10:01:11 AM

Skatepunk

Thomas Jefferson owned a Qu'ran.

That alone invalidates the "Christian First Amendment" argument.

I can't wait to see how this bastard reacts when he's forced to choose between Romney (a Mormon) and Obama (a Christian who is "not Christian enough").

4/20/2012 10:45:00 AM

checkmate

it just is not.

Well then, if you put it that way, it must be true.

Mormonism is not an orthodox Christian faith. It just is not.

Listen up dude, anything outside of the Holy Roman Catholic Church is "not an orthodox Christian faith", especially not all those heretical Baptists, so shut the fuck up on your way down to Hell. ;-)

4/20/2012 12:09:34 PM

nazani14

If these nuts got their way and the US legally became a Christian nation, sectarian violence would break out within a year.

4/20/2012 1:26:42 PM

Old Viking

This borders on total incoherence.

4/20/2012 3:50:28 PM

tranz2deep

And your argument was wrong then, is now, and will be forever.

Mostly because you're Lying for Yourself, yet again, trying to Lie for Christ and play God in the same breath.

4/20/2012 4:44:32 PM

Agahnim

No, you idiotic, pathetic fuckwit, it protects all religions, including the LDS church, Islam, and Judaism (the last of which worshiped your God before your religion even existed).

4/21/2012 12:32:43 AM

Justanotheratheist

The First Amendment says what it says, not what you wish it said. But the only way fundies might get the message is if we wrote "America is not a Christian Nation" on a nuclear warhead, and then shoved it up their arsehole.

4/21/2012 1:06:44 AM

LAchlan

I think you'll find.... oh wait, it's Bryan. I'll not bother.

4/21/2012 7:43:28 AM
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