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When Will We Understand That Nicotine Is Not Addictive? - Yet another study discovers the obvious: smoking cessation gadgets do not work in the long run. Why? The answer is simple: nicotine itself is not addictive, and smoking is a habit -- the habit, like all such behaviors, is psychological, not physical, and it is exerted through association. This view of the smoking habit is of course blasphemy nowadays, for everybody says that nicotine is addictive. But look at the players:

$$ The pharmaceutical companies support the addiction "model" in order to sell patches and other devices;

$$ Doctors profit by selling smoking cessation programs;

$$ The tobacco industry profits when smokers feel they are hopelessly addicted and cannot quit;

$$ The anti-smokers, whose goal is to control 'unacceptable' personal behavior, exaggerate the concept of addiction in order to generate a feeling of guilt, so that smokers (and their families and colleagues) will accept and tolerate the anti-smokers' intrusive intolerance.

Of course, once the flood gates of mislabeled addictive behavior are opened, it becomes possible (and profitable) to attempt to "control" other behaviors -- over-eating, drinking, etc.

Forces International, Forces International 24 Comments [4/22/2012 9:02:46 AM]
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Anon

It should be obvious, but this is a large pack of lies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_cessation

4/22/2012 9:20:40 AM

Leighton Buzzard

I hear smackheads have a 'habit', too.

Also, WTF, I can't tell if he's against smoking or for it.

4/22/2012 10:34:25 AM

Leighton Buzzard

Double post!

4/22/2012 10:37:51 AM

Brendan Rizzo

I thought this was over decades ago.

4/22/2012 11:16:04 AM

Lucilius

@Brendan Rizzo: Magellan made his circuit 500 years ago, but we've still got a few flat-Earthers. Time stands still for the deranged.

4/22/2012 11:24:33 AM

Doubting Thomas

OK, if it's not nicotine, then what is it in cigarettes that makes them addictive? If smoking were just a psychological habit, it would be easy for people to quit if they wanted to.

4/22/2012 12:26:06 PM

Agahnim

OK, if it isn't addictive, why is it so damn hard to stop? You have blood on your hands from the amount of people who died from any kind of cancer caused by smoking.

4/22/2012 12:56:56 PM

\m/>_<\m/

as a smoker (go on, guilt trip me...)i must say this:

dafuq i just read. 0_o 0_0 ¯\(º_o)/¯

4/22/2012 1:46:08 PM

Lpopman

Why do I suffer from more than just psychological withdrawl symptoms when I don't have a cigarette for a while?

I'll tell you why. It's because I'm chemically dependant on nicotene. That makes it a physical addiction.

Idiot.

4/22/2012 3:49:06 PM

Percy Q. Shunn


4/22/2012 4:12:54 PM

jsonitsac

Seriously, he blames the tobacco companies for promoting nicotine's addictiveness. Did he miss when all the executives basically perjured themselves in front of Congress?

4/22/2012 5:38:22 PM

Extraintrovert

So instead of presenting any evidence to contradict the massive piles of it that indicate nicotine IS addictive, you make claims regarding an even more impossible to prove conspiracy between numerous different, unrelated organisations. Good luck with that.

@Doubting Thomas
Not at all. Psychological compulsions are very powerful and can be near-impossible for someone to overcome on their own. Indeed, the reason drug addictions are so difficult to break is because there is a psychological AND physical element to the addiction, due to the disruption of a person's biochemical equilibrium.

@jsonitsac
That just means the conspiracy goes even deeper than we can possibly imagine.

Seriously, I don't know why this section of the site is so neglected. Conspiracy nuts always produce the best bullshit.

4/22/2012 11:16:40 PM



The denial is strong with this one.

4/23/2012 9:14:12 AM



In a narrow definition of addictive nicotine is indeed non addictive. Unlike a lot of drugs it doesn't cause tolerance like opiates for example. You don't need to take more and more of it to get the "hit". That was the defence used by he tobacco companies at the first major class action against them.
Giving up is still a bitch though :/

4/23/2012 10:27:38 AM

jsonitsac

@#1395583

If people don't build a tolerance to nicotine how is it that people can go from maybe one cigarette a day to two, then suddenly a whole pack a day, then several packs and so forth?

4/23/2012 6:52:27 PM

Reynardine

I wish my late mother's lungs on you.

4/24/2012 4:51:20 AM

Veras_the_Brujah

The words "fucking moron" are thrown around a lot these days, but...

4/24/2012 8:16:44 AM

aaa

What the fuck is this shit.

4/24/2012 8:30:23 AM

Tatsukun

Clearly Tobacco is only addictive if you are not gay.

4/24/2012 1:49:33 PM

Raised by Horses

Do I hear a "I can quit any time I want!" approaching?

4/24/2012 11:40:33 PM

RinellaWasHere

>wants to keep smoking
>>calls bullshit on decades of medical science

4/25/2012 9:19:46 AM

NonProphet

Wait... this guy seems to be arguing that tobacco companies are part of a conspiracy to sell programs that get people to stop using tobacco?

4/25/2012 5:58:29 PM

Ebon

Point refuted a thousand times.
Also, doctors looking to make profits only applies in nations like the USA. Here in Europe, doctors make exactly the same whether you smoke or not. And they're still trying to get us to quit.

4/26/2012 4:15:33 PM



@#1395725

I've been a smoker for the last 16 odd years and the amount I smoke a day hasn't gone up consistely since I started. Sometimes I smoke more, other times less.
It still only takes one cigarette to sate the addiction. If nicotine did cause tolerance then you'd need more and more over time to deal with the God-I'm-dying-for-a-smoke feeling. Under that definition the crazy up there is partially correct and tobacco companies did try and use it to get out of taking responsibility for pushing a very addictive and harmful habit.
It's me being pedantic. Like when holocaust deniers say there were no concentration camps in Germany. It's an accurate statement. There were camps in Austria and Poland etc but none within *modern* Germany's boarders.

4/29/2012 3:54:15 PM
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