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One of the main reasons the dating methods can't be trusted is that creationists would bring modern things to scientists to get tested; such as old tires and rusty pipes and when scientists dated them, they got ages in the tens of thousands of years range.

Really, a tire is 10,000 years old?

Self-Mutation, Freethought & Rationalism Discussion Board 34 Comments [4/30/2012 3:28:06 AM]
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Lying For Christ, part infinity minus twelve.

4/30/2012 4:07:54 AM

David B.

[citation needed]

A tire is a composite object anyway, which bit did they supposedly test?

4/30/2012 4:13:51 AM


Citation fucking needed

4/30/2012 4:55:15 AM

Really, a tire is 10,000 years old?

The atoms that comprise the molecules of rubber and steel are as old as the universe itself. Only their most recent "arrangement" into the tire's material composition is contemporary.

4/30/2012 5:08:21 AM

Mister Spak

Tires are made from crude oil which has been in the ground for millions of years. Tires made from old carbon will carbon date old.

Really, you didn't know that?

4/30/2012 5:21:33 AM


i like how the post and the board name are at opposite ends of the spectrum

4/30/2012 5:23:23 AM


Tens of thousands of years!!

You lot don't even figure the earth is ten thousand years old yet.

So a consistent "more than 10,000 years old" proves you wrong! Even if it is out by a few million.

4/30/2012 5:25:23 AM

Brendan Rizzo

This reminds me of that story about the creationist who tried to carbon-date a fossil... even though, as the eminent Potholer54 pointed out...


4/30/2012 6:04:24 AM


Right, you do know that just because these things were recently made, does not mean that the stuff they're made from is young.

4/30/2012 6:14:02 AM


There are a number of reasons why any dating method might be inaccurate and scientists know what these limitations are (one such limitation is known as he Reservoir effect). One tactic creationists use to throw off the date is to coat the object in a substance that will artificially trip up the dating method

4/30/2012 7:00:19 AM


If the law isn't on your side, pound the facts; if the facts aren't on your side, pound the law; if neither is on your side, make both up.

4/30/2012 7:04:43 AM


Blatant bullshit, number fucking infinity.

4/30/2012 8:11:17 AM

Big Jilm

Yeah I believe that's actually what this said scientist said. I'm totally sure.

Pull another lie out of your ass will you please?

4/30/2012 8:29:07 AM


If you tried to carbon date a rusty iron pipe I'm sure you would get screwed up measurements. That's because there is no carbon in it.

4/30/2012 8:31:22 AM


Just as - according to Judges 1:19, God wasn't omniscient, nor omnipresent enough to see those Iron Chariots coming -Tyre couldn't be destroyed, despite that claimed by Ezekiel 26:7-14, 26:2 & 27:36.

...everything else you say is just so much non-sequitur tl;dr, Self-Mutilation. [/smartarse]

@David B.

"A tire is a composite object anyway"

The ones on my bike, made by Kenda of Taiwan, are (apart from the Kevlar beading, anti-puncture strip & reinforcing weave) mainly made of Nylon. A material that didn't exist until the 20th Century. Funny, that. And not in a 'funny-ha-ha' way, neither. [/smartarse II]

4/30/2012 8:38:22 AM


when did anyone ever bring those things to scientists? and why weren't they laughed out of the facility? carbon dating is only reliable for a range of years. a RANGE. if the date comes out too high, they switch to a different, more conclusive method.

4/30/2012 9:57:16 AM


According to The Big Bang Theory, sex is mandatory on the third date.

4/30/2012 10:05:40 AM

Doubting Thomas

Why would scientists even run dating methods on modern objects?

And, assuming you're talking about Carbon-14 dating here because most fundie Christians try to deny it actually works, you can only get Carbon-14 from old organic material, not things like tires and metal pipes.

4/30/2012 10:57:33 AM

There's a wonderful video by a chap called Potholer on Youtube about this. Guy brings completely mineralised fossil to lab for C14 dating. "We can't date that, there's no fucking carbon in it!" is the refrain. After much arguing they did it anyway just to shut him up and tested the shellac on the outside surface, the only hint of carbon to be had.

Cue imbecile crowing in triumph about how carbon dating doesn't work and gives the wrong dates for stuff.


4/30/2012 11:07:22 AM


I misread his/her name as "Self-Mutilation." It seemed like such a good idea.

4/30/2012 11:27:53 AM


Thou shalt not make up shit for Jeezus!

4/30/2012 12:36:50 PM

Old Viking

Oh, yeah, I remember when creations brought modern things to scientists. That was in Toledo, Ohio, a couple of years ago, wasn't it?

4/30/2012 1:34:10 PM


Let's see if this helps:

"First the Earth cooled. And then the dinosaurs came, but they got too big and fat, so they all died and they turned into oil. And then the Arabs came and they bought Mercedes Benzes. And Prince Charles started wearing all of Lady Di's clothes. I couldn't believe it!" - Jacobs, Airplane II

So if you date a Mercedes Benz, you might get arrested for mopery. Stick to licking wall paper.

4/30/2012 1:56:39 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't carbon dating specifically require carbon to be present in your example?

Besides which the age of the material used in manufactured goods will vary drastically from the date of manufacture. A table might be two years old, but the tree it was carved out of can be several thousand.

4/30/2012 3:33:35 PM


Citation very much fucking needed.

4/30/2012 5:00:31 PM

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