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I was struck by the fact that it really is insane, illogical, plain NUTS to choose to sin, to disbelieve God. I mean, everything’s laid out, God’s explained everything, and yet there are people who would prefer to suffer in hell than serve God. Satan knew everything, and he chose to rebel, and so many other people do likewise. I’m simply amazed at the audacity of human pride, and its stubborn depths.

a reader of Randy Alcorn, Eternal Perspective Ministries 115 Comments [5/6/2012 5:15:18 AM]
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Reynardine

Yeah, think, and you'll go to H. I'd better go there. Conversation in the other H must be stultifying.

5/6/2012 5:19:33 AM

Panz

"I was struck by the fact that it really is insane, illogical, plain NUTS to choose to sin, to disbelieve God."

Oh look, bizzaro land is open again

5/6/2012 5:45:20 AM

Swede

Muhammed explained everything too, and so did Siddharta Gautama.
Yet you choose to sin, to rebel, to disbelieve them. It's just as insane, illogical, plain NUTS.

What is a stubborn depth? Shouldn't it be depths of stubbornness, something like that? [/nitpicking]

5/6/2012 5:59:58 AM

John_in_Oz

Guilty of the sin of pride. To hell with you.

5/6/2012 6:05:12 AM

Doubting Thomas

I think it's even more nuts to worship a deity that supposedly loves everyone but threatens everyone with eternal torture if a narrow, impossible-to-follow set of rules isn't adhered to.

5/6/2012 6:27:45 AM

Atheissimo

'I was struck by the fact that it really is insane, illogical, plain NUTS to choose ignorance, to disbelieve Siddarta. I mean, everything’s laid out, the Buddha explained everything, and yet there are people who would prefer to suffer in the Hells than accept Karma.'

Tell me, why is this any less valid than what you're saying?

5/6/2012 6:40:52 AM

shykid

I was struck by the fact that it really is insane, illogical, plain NUTS to choose to write grandiloquently, to use painfully hyperbolic language, to describe "depths" as "stubborn."

5/6/2012 6:40:58 AM

Dr.Shrinker

"I mean, everything’s laid out, God’s explained everything,"

The various denominations of Christianity suggest that things are not quite as clear as you suggest. Ah, but let me guess, all of those other denominations are of "the devil." Yours is the only true one.

Funny how often that happens

5/6/2012 6:44:59 AM

rageaholic

Yes, people "choose" to go to hell by not following reliion. The same way you'd choose to have your brains blown out by not giving your money to a robber.

5/6/2012 7:12:03 AM

Horsefeathers

"I was struck by the fact that it really is insane, illogical, plain NUTS to choose to sin, to disbelieve God. I mean, everything’s laid out, God’s explained everything, and yet there are people who would prefer to suffer in hell than serve God. Satan knew everything, and he chose to rebel, and so many other people do likewise. I’m simply amazed at the audacity of human pride, and its stubborn depths."

You realize this is the same argument Muslims use against you Christians, don't you?

5/6/2012 7:18:09 AM

Mudak

This strikes me as a variation on Pascal's Wager and is equally compelling.

5/6/2012 7:22:52 AM

Berny

If there were any evidence that the bible is true, that god existed, and that he had written said bible, you would be correct. It would be nuts. However, since there is no evidence the bible is anything but the delusional ravings of middle eastern tribal elders we can safely ignore it.

5/6/2012 7:32:23 AM

= POPE =

This could be fun...

I was struck by the fact that it really is insane, illogical, plain NUTS for a grown person to believe in spooks and demons.

I was struck by the fact that it really is insane, illogical, plain NUTS to believe that an all powerful creator of the universe needs idiots to sell Him to other idiots.

I was struck by the fact that it really is insane, illogical, plain NUTS to believe what some authority figure says without additional proof.

Meh, not as much fun as I thought.

"I’m simply amazed at the audacity of human pride..."

That's because shame is so much more profitable that you have been thoroughly conditioned to it.

5/6/2012 8:48:07 AM

MatGreenfield

Yeah, as much as I think the God of the Bible is a dick, if he was shown to exist I'd worship him out of sheer terror.

Which is fine because I'm pretty damn sure he doesn't exist. Kind of lays waste to the "Atheists believe in God, but just deny him" argument.

5/6/2012 9:22:11 AM

Dynamic Dragon

The point of the bible is that EVERYONE sins. What truly matters is if you genuinely seek forgiveness

5/6/2012 9:22:45 AM

Leighton Buzzard

Remind me where God explains quantum physics, again.

5/6/2012 9:25:53 AM

His4Life

I don't get it either. What honestly baffles me is that you have nothing to lose by following Christ - except your sin. It makes me think that what atheists really want is to continue living in sin. What else would they lose by following Jesus?


5/6/2012 9:32:39 AM

His4Life

Dynamic Dragon, well said brother.

5/6/2012 9:33:14 AM

His4Life

Doubting Thomas, what rules? Last I checked, the only requirement for salvation was faith in Christ's completed work on the cross. Jesus lived by ther rules for you. All you need to do is accept his obedience in place of your own. :)

5/6/2012 9:34:32 AM

His4Life

Doubting Thomas, what rules? Last I checked, the only requirement for salvation was faith in Christ's completed work on the cross. Jesus lived by ther rules for you. All you need to do is accept his obedience in place of your own. :)

5/6/2012 9:36:52 AM

Greater Good

His4Life, you'd think that someone who trolls this website as often as you do would know that Pascal's Wager is a logical fallacy and has been debunked for a very long time. Why do you continue to use it? Get an original argument next time, kthnxbai.

5/6/2012 9:56:04 AM

Filin De Blanc

I'd like to not suffer in Hell or serve God. Why isn't that an option?

5/6/2012 9:57:11 AM

Danarth

@His4life

Strange, There does seem to be at least one set of rules in your religion. Ten Commandments was it? (Hint: There's a commandment about lying)

Of course, if the only qualification for salvation in your interpretation of Christianity is believing in god rather than living by any rules set down by him really does show not only the morality of not only you but your god too.

'Accept his obedience' is nothing more than an encouragment of blind obedience and acceptance in place of using one's brain.

As for the rest, the person who made the orginal comment really does just go to show how worthless Pascal's wager and the argument about free will and god is.

5/6/2012 9:57:54 AM

Lady Evil

His4Life, why don't you have a nice steaming cup of STFU?

5/6/2012 9:58:19 AM

Ebon

1) Is this really how findies think? They honestly believe that everyone knows the Big Beard is up there and chooses to wilfully sin anyway? Is it any wonder we think you guys are crazy?

2) Your god is a genocidal, sadistic nutcase. He is utterly unworthy of worship. And if you choose to worship him anyway, that's really just submitting to the tyrant because you're scared of him.

5/6/2012 10:02:50 AM
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