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(Explaining why he thinks time travel could not be used to prove God's existence or nonexistence)

And if he travels a neuron [sic] through time, then good for him.

but I have bad news for atheists. Even if we invented time travel, the most popular place to go would be Jerusalem circa 1 B.C. and watch Jesus' whole life from birth to death. We would not see Jesus though. Why? I'm glad you asked.

We wouldn't see Him because God would obviously know about what we are doing and He's not going to allow every human being to witness all the miracles first hand. Remember I said that stuff was a one time deal?

So an atheist going back in time and saying, "Aha! No Jesus!" would mean absolutely nothing. Of course He's not going to be there. God isn't stupid.

So even with time travel, atheists still would not "get their proof."

I cringe when I watch Back to the Future and watch Christopher Lloyd in the beginning say, "Or witness the birth of Christ!" and he sets the date to December 25, 0000. I always facepalm that.

Self-Mutation, Freethought and Rationalism Discussion Board 74 Comments [5/15/2012 3:33:21 AM]
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Lezemotu

Or maybe Jesus just doesn't exist at all.

5/15/2012 3:37:02 AM

Meishayuri

I love the idea of an invisible Jesus. It's so awesome.

5/15/2012 3:49:42 AM

Mudak

I cringe when Michael J Fox, his brother, and his sister disappear from the photograph, meaning that someone would've ostensibly taken a picture of an empty yard...

Time travel would neither prove nor disprove god.

5/15/2012 3:50:51 AM

Hertzyscowicz

Oh yes, when someone puts an insane amount of resources to a venture that could save billions of souls, God is going to block them. Not stupid at all.

5/15/2012 3:53:53 AM

gravematter

Wow. Just shows these people's total rejection of scientific proof. They're even making up excuses for scenarios that will probably never happen, and certainly wouldn't happen for centuries, probably millenia.

5/15/2012 3:55:26 AM

N. De Plume

Yeah, that scene is pretty funny, but not for the reasons you seem to imply.

Originally posted by Mudak

I cringe when Michael J Fox, his brother, and his sister disappear from the photograph, meaning that someone would've ostensibly taken a picture of an empty yard...


I would assume that such a person is just getting to know his or her camera or maybe is taking a “before” shot in preparation for some new home improvement project.

5/15/2012 4:09:42 AM

michael3ov

How convenient.

5/15/2012 4:22:07 AM

Brendan Rizzo

There are two things wrong with this. One, it's special pleading (though SM likely doesn't see what's wrong with that) and two, it makes God deliberately deceitful. There is little that is more distasteful than a god who would thwart all attempts to prove he exists. (And if he wants to be left alone, then why would he create religion in the first place?)

So, SM, are you calling God a liar?

5/15/2012 4:48:05 AM

Veras_the_Brujah

"Even if we invented time travel, the most popular place to go would be Jerusalem circa 1 B.C. and watch Jesus' whole life from birth to death. We would not see Jesus though. Why? I'm glad you asked."

Nobody asked. That's the voice in your head. Learn the difference.

5/15/2012 5:18:01 AM

Mister Spak

But if we travelled back in time to see Mohammed, and couldn't find him, that would prove he doesn't exist.

Next question: What would we see if we went back in time 7000 years? If we see a functioning earth pretty much the same as the one we have now would you admit your book is a lie?

Also, seeing how the hardware and software that allows you to post your nonsense on the internet was invented by atheists, your time machine would also have to be invented by an atheist.

5/15/2012 5:18:19 AM

Doubting Thomas

I just knew that if we could invent time travel which would prove that Jesus didn't exist, the fundies would come up with some ad hoc explanation for it. Turns out they're coming out with the ad hoc explanation even before time travel has been invented.

So God just wants to fuck with all our minds, huh? Just like how he created the earth with all the dinosaur bones already in it to make the earth look older. Well, if God doesn't want us to believe, then why hate us so? We can't help it that God is making us not believe.

5/15/2012 5:35:30 AM

D Laurier

Acualy, if we invented time travel... the most popular destination would be our own teenged years, to warn our selves 25 or 30 years ago about the shit we were going to be dealing with down the road.
Atheists would also likely want to go back to the very early 20th century, to try to stop Hitler while he was just another art student.

Nobody but the most fanatical fundies would care about going back to Roman Jerusalem.


5/15/2012 5:35:38 AM

Doperwtje

'I cringe when I watch Back to the Future and watch Christopher Lloyd in the beginning say, "Or witness the birth of Christ!" and he sets the date to December 25, 0000. I always facepalm that.'

I actually agree with that, though not for the same reason SM thinks....

5/15/2012 5:39:12 AM

Captain understatement

Yeah Christopher Plummer is such an idiot. Facepalm.

5/15/2012 5:44:42 AM

Sentry Gun

Except circa 1 BC, you wouldn't be able to see Jesus in Jerusalem because :

1) This whole Jesus story is a scam
2) even your book tells that he's supposed to birth in Betlehem, not Jerusalem, you dumbass.

5/15/2012 5:47:26 AM

Anon

The argument is "God did a miracle showing how awesome God was, but nobody's allowed to see it for themselves" ? That would be incredibly jerkassic of God.

But running with the theme: what would Self-Mutation say if we were to met ET, who has been watching Earth with high-resolution telescopes for several thousand years, and she gives you several thousand hours of high-definition video showing that nothing like the crucifixion sections of the Bible ever occurred.

Then would she/he admit that whatever historical figure the Jesus legends formed around was not God?

5/15/2012 6:04:51 AM

dionysus

So your God WANTS to convince people that the Bible is wrong? Why? So he can send more people to hell? Then again, this IS the god that likes the smell of burnt flesh so maybe that's right.

5/15/2012 6:06:43 AM

Nicole

We wouldn't see Him because God would obviously know about what we are doing and He's not going to allow every human being to witness all the miracles first hand. Remember I said that stuff was a one time deal?

So Self-Mutation admits that his god is a dick.


I cringe when I watch Back to the Future and watch Christopher Lloyd in the beginning say, "Or witness the birth of Christ!" and he sets the date to December 25, 0000. I always facepalm that.

That's just ridiculous. Doc Brown is an inventor, not a theologian. Why shouldn't he get something outside his area of expertise wrong now and then?

5/15/2012 6:09:02 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

Self-Mutilation has the Bible on his side. Colossians 1:15 tells us that Jesus was the "image of the invisible god."(Really! Check for yourself.)

So, of course, we couldn't see him. No one could. He was invisible.


5/15/2012 6:18:59 AM

Joe Mama

What better proof would there be for Christianity than to have an atheist come back from biblical times with pictures/video of Jesus' existence? Or even proof that the miracles Jesus performed in the bible were real? I think converting an atheist would be an excellent way for God to get his message across, but no, he wants to keep everything hidden and mysterious so people won't know for sure and either keep doubting or guessing, so if they make the wrong choice they end up burning in Hell for eternity.

Self-Mutation's logic is shakier than Michael J. Fox running a jackhammer.

5/15/2012 6:33:50 AM



So God's only proof of his existence is that there are none?

Funny how a god that can do such things is similar to a god that doesn't exist at all.

5/15/2012 6:43:56 AM

Filin De Blanc

Regarding all the "is God deliberately trying to get people sent to Hell?" comments: Self-Mutation has revealed elsewhere that he is the rare fundamentalist who doesn't believe in Hell.

5/15/2012 6:49:47 AM

anevilmeme

WTF is this, Dr Who meets Ray Comfort?

5/15/2012 6:52:43 AM

Reynardine

Looks like someone is already anticipating that someone'll go back there and find it was all made up.

5/15/2012 6:54:21 AM

J. James

Who the fuck are you to say who Jesus would or would not reveal himself to?

5/15/2012 6:56:18 AM
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