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When you can't believe that China did not exist before the Flood, that does not mean it DID exist before the Flood.

[When we have evidence that it existed before the time of the claimed Flood, then it's NOT INCREDULITY, fallacy-finder!
It's based on THE EVIDENCE, NOT "sole.y on their incredulity/disbelief."]

We have no such evidence that China existed before the Flood.

Self-Mutation, Freethought and Rationalism Discussion Board 59 Comments [5/15/2012 3:35:06 AM]
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So all of the archeological finds that date back more than 6000 years must be all faked, huh?


5/15/2012 3:43:46 AM


Here's a deal I'll make with you: show me evidence for the flood of which you speak. Then we'll talk.

5/15/2012 3:47:52 AM


Why yes, everyone knows that not only would Jesus be invisible to time travelers, but so would that pesky proof of a flood. Self-Mutation has skipped his dosage yet again.

5/15/2012 3:51:29 AM

Rabbit of Caerbannog

Dumbest person on the Internet strikes again.

5/15/2012 4:03:17 AM

Arctic Knight

After reading this guys posts over the last several days, I think he is quickly going to surpass AV1611VET as most idiotic.

5/15/2012 4:19:34 AM


@Prager: Well you do know that all dating methods are flawed, right? Except the ones that agree with what fundies want to, then it's infallible.

5/15/2012 4:26:51 AM

Brendan Rizzo



5/15/2012 4:43:04 AM

Mister Spak

We have no evidence that the flood existed.

No, your big book-o-fairy-tales is not evidence.

5/15/2012 5:15:28 AM

D Laurier

China existed before your "flood".
We have evidence in the form of writen documents from the very oldest Chinese statelettes as far back as 2800 bce, and pottery dating back to 8000 bce.

5/15/2012 5:27:22 AM

Doubting Thomas

There is no better example of "La la la la la I can't hear you!" than this post right here.

5/15/2012 5:31:04 AM


That seems quite correct. Given that we have no evidence of the type of global flood you seem to be referring to, "before the Flood" is a meaningless temporal clause.

5/15/2012 5:35:13 AM

Sentry Gun

Ecxcept for the ones we have.

5/15/2012 5:43:39 AM


So how did an 18,000 year old piece of pottery come to be when the culture that made it didn't exist for another 12,000 years? Are the Chinese timelords?

5/15/2012 6:14:54 AM

Joe Mama

You claim we have no evidence that China existed before the flood, but I'm guessing you think there is ample evidence the flood itself existed?

I think I'll put my trust into what historians & archaeologists say rather than an ancient book written by a bunch of superstitious desert goat herders.

5/15/2012 6:28:01 AM

Raised by Horses

"We have no such evidence that China existed before the Flood."

There... There are simply no words.

Can we just appropriate Australia and turn it into Fundieland? We'd be much happier, and I know they would be, too. There's no reasoning with this kind of stupidity.

5/15/2012 6:48:54 AM


So you think the flood was real and China wasn't?

Not only have you just destroyed every irony meter on the planet you took out the factories where they're made as well.

5/15/2012 6:50:28 AM

J. James

I'm confused. China the people or China the landmass? Both easily pre-date the flood, which by the way NEVER HAPPENED.

5/15/2012 6:54:08 AM


In fact, we have evidence that China was an independent continent when the seas were populated by organisms almost as simple as you.

5/15/2012 7:00:06 AM


"When you can't believe that China did not exist before the Flood, that does not mean it DID exist before the Flood. [...] We have no such evidence that China existed before the Flood."

Actually, so, so much archeological and historical evidence shows otherwise. Civilization in China was very much alive and well before your supposed worldwide flood, and it appears to have been completely unfazed by it.

Given that myths of a worldwide flood seem to be shared primarily by a diverse group of cultures that all originated in Southeastern Europe and the Middle East—near the Mediterranean—it does seem to me quite possible that there was a very massive and devastating flood of some kind in that area, which would certainly seem like a "worldwide" flood to the people of that time. This idea is also given a bit of credulity by the tendency of the rivers in the region to overflow as well as the area being nearly surrounded by seas. But for such a massive flood to have spread as far east as China is absolutely ludicrous.

...oh, fuck me, why I am I trying to be reasonable with Self-Mutation?

5/15/2012 7:08:40 AM



5/15/2012 7:40:46 AM


According to the Bible, the Flood occurred between 2300 and 2500 BC. We certainly have evidence that China existed before that.

5/15/2012 7:44:13 AM


"We have no such evidence that China existed before the Flood."

Some of the ancient Chinese writings were discovered, by archaeologists/historians, to be as early as 8,000 BCE. Way before the supposed 6,000 years that YECers claim this planet was 'created'.

So it's not just Kitzmiller vs. Dover that annihilates your argument - and thus your 'beliefs' - biologically.

PROTIP: There are ancient Chinese writings from during the supposed 'Flood'. Nope, no records of a supposed civilisation-destroying cataclysmic event. And the ancient Chinese were sticklers for record-keeping; it's the reason why said archaeologists & historians know so much about them (as they do, re. the ancient Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, Babylonians, Sumerians etc.

And yet, your so-called 'Bible' doesn't give the exact, precise, detailed information, facts, based on evidence we need. Funny, that, and not in a 'funny-ha-ha' way, neither.

Why, it's as if... the Bible was written by nothing more than Bronze Age goatfuckers with ideas above their station...? At least we know that much about them, to say nothing of it's fundie, Literalist believers: Ignorant and Illiterate.

Moral: The Bible. It does the thinking for you. Meanwhile, the phrase 'Inquiring minds need to know'. It exists for a reason. And there's the key word: 'Reason'. Because the Bible - and it's unjustifiable 'beliefs' based on such - has none whatsoever.

5/15/2012 7:55:36 AM


Oh wow, that's the thread that just keeps on giving

5/15/2012 7:58:21 AM


Too bad we have evidence of people living in China, or what would become China, 14,000 years ago. Or too bad for your delusional, inaccurate belief system. But here in the real world this discovery is pretty cool.

5/15/2012 8:03:50 AM


"Evidence". You keep using that word but I don't think it means what you think it means.

5/15/2012 8:54:47 AM

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