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I [heart] Genocide

Some people have criticized the Torah for being cruel because the Torah commands the extermination of certain ancient peoples, specificially the Canaanites, the Amalekites and the Midianites, including the killing of women and children.

I think that a few things must however be borne in mind.

These commandments were given by God who knows all of people's thoughts and all their future actions and the actions of their potential descendents. God knew that these people were evil, they were "bad to the bone", and the kindest solution was to kill them, for their sakes and the sakes of everyone else. Killing a baby is normally a heinous crime. However if someone would be truly psychic and would have truly been able to see the future, surely he would have done everyone a big favor if he would have strangled Adolf Hitler in his crib.

Additionally, we must bear in mind that these commandments were specifically regarding those nationalities. Orthodox Jews today are basically pacsifists who are almost never kill anyone.

jewish philosopher, Torah Philosophy 53 Comments [5/19/2012 5:58:33 AM]
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Old Viking

This guy would be booted out of any philosophy class I attended. It's obviously not a subject that suits him.

5/19/2012 12:26:09 PM

checkmate

Orthodox Jews today are basically pacsifists who are almost never kill anyone.

Yes, their peaceful nature is very evident in the Gaza and West Bank settlements. They're just like newborn lambs there.

Not.

Wow, the bullshit in "jewish philosopher's" post is knee deep.

5/19/2012 12:30:27 PM

Karana

So, using this logic, we should kill everyone 'just in case' they become a potentially 'bad' person. You and everyone you know would also not be exempt from this self 'poential bad person' cleansing.
You throw the word 'God' in there as if that was what 'it' wanted as if you or your ancestors are special little buddies to the supposed master of the universe.It is nothing but voices in people's heads. They wanted the other peopel dead, so they said 'God told me to'. No one could possibly have proven them wrong. Your religion is terrible by any standard.Give it up already.


5/19/2012 12:37:22 PM

Apatheist

Killing one baby who would grow up to be Hitler is fairly ok. Killing all Austrians(Hitler was austrian) because one of them might grow up to be Hitler is not Ok.

Oh, and what evidence do you have that the Amaleks Midianites and Canaanites were irredeemably evil? Oh, just the bible, what a steaming pile of bullshit.

5/19/2012 12:43:52 PM

Atheissimo

You heart Genocide eh?

How are we supposed to know which are the 'bad to the bone' people that God apparently created with the intention of them being evil, like the monster he is, so he could punish them, because he gets off on it or something.

What if the Nazis were right, and God wanted the Jews exterminated because they are evil, and the Allies got in the way of his divine plan? That's essentially what you're saying about other peoples, after all.

Any Jew that supports genocide is the worst kind of hypocrite imaginable. If Plato were to have crossed over into his world of the forms, the form of hypocrisy would have been you.

5/19/2012 12:47:51 PM



I [heart] Genocide

Only an Israeli Zionist pig could vomit such blasphemy and still call himself Jewish, and if he did that in front of European or even American Jews, he would probably get beaten up, or at least get yelled at furiously.

5/19/2012 1:42:31 PM

Mudak

The thing that truly gets me about quotes like this or the majority of other quotes here on FSTDT where the author defends some otherwise repugnant verse from scripture, is that common sense should dictate that at least that passage should be disregarded (if not the entire scripture), not upheld or defended.

Yes, the god of the Torah is violent, vengeful, horrific, and, well, antithetical to peaceful existence. He commanded entire civilizations to be wiped out. Given the choice of defending him or disregarding him, the choice seems quite clear. Why do so many people choose to defend the indefensible?

5/19/2012 1:49:14 PM

Xotan

The god who commanded genocide is no god. He is a monster and a devil.

I also note that this god/devil would have communicated his commands via humans...

Need I say more?

Need I say more also about the origins of the Bible?

5/19/2012 3:08:36 PM

Berny

Two words.
Baruch Goldstein.
That mother-fucker killed 29 Muslims kneeling at prayer in their mosque, and wounded an additional 125.
He is revered as a hero and martyr by the Orthodox Jewish population of Israel.
If Jewish Orthodox people are basically pacifists, why are they armed to the teeth and provoking Palestinians all the time?

5/19/2012 5:19:17 PM

foolishmoon

Stopping future crimes...where have I seen that before? <Paging Tom Cruise. Mr. Cruise, please pick up the white courtesy phone.>

5/19/2012 6:06:39 PM

JSS

{I [heart] Genocide}

Nice. Do you whistle that same tune to Hamas?

{God knew that these people were evil, they were "bad to the bone", and the kindest solution was to kill them}

Or instead of having to kill them later, maybe God could have just not created those 'bad to the bone' in the first place?

Nah, nah. Real logic defies Biblical logic (and jewish philospher's "philosophy"), so it must be shunned to the side. Well, that and basic human decency...

5/19/2012 6:37:45 PM

rebel

Then why did God make them in the first place?
If he's so damn powerful, why didn't He squish them Himself. This God of yours seems awfully lazy.

5/19/2012 7:10:26 PM

farpadokly

Why create these people in the first place then, if you know beforehand, as God supposedly does, that they're going to turn out to be evil? Why not just... not create them?
As for strangling Hitler in his crib, you obviously don't know your time travel sci-fi. That might lead to even worse repercussions.
Who's to say that another leader might not have gained power in Germany who was even worse? What if it was Himmler or Goerring or Goebbels? All the elements would've still been there. After all, Hitler didn't accomplish the holocaust all on his own.

5/19/2012 8:05:37 PM

shykid

Pressed "WTF?!" as soon as I read the first three words.

Nothing needs to be said about this. It speaks for itself.

5/19/2012 8:08:49 PM

Robespierre

Why do we consider Hitler bad? Could it be because he massacred entire peoples he didn't like? How is this different? Oh right, God told you to do it. But you'd never do it on your own, you're pacifists.
Until "God" commands you to kill again, of course.

5/19/2012 8:46:00 PM



Isn't trying to see the future also a sin? Could be just me with my "Dante's Inferno" book that this "philosopher" has probably never even heard of, but yeah.

5/19/2012 10:03:23 PM

shykid

@#1405029: Diviners and fortune-tellers (i.e. "false prophets") are indeed sinful according to The Bible. The only thing Alighieri made up was the circle and bolgia for 'em and their deliciously symbolic punishment. (Ol' "philosopher" here might oughta keep that in mind lest he find himself running around in circles with his head on backwards for all eternity for advocating psychics.)

5/20/2012 3:47:06 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

So, why did your bone-head god create evil people in the first place?

Oh, yeah, because it gets off on watching really stupid people torture and kill other people.

5/20/2012 4:27:49 AM

aaa

Some people never learn, i guess. Don't bother complaining when your cowardly ass gets into serious trouble.

5/20/2012 5:55:57 AM

Dr.Shrinker

So how would you feel about genocide if you were on the receiving end?

Or is that different?

5/20/2012 1:32:00 PM

TheJebusFire

So, abortion and murder are only right when your god does it?

5/20/2012 2:27:25 PM

Osiris

Religion: justifying exterminating your fellow man for five thousand years.

5/20/2012 5:41:04 PM

sulik

It's interesting, he likes genocide, but wants to kill a baby Hitler, who was also a genocide fan.

5/22/2012 1:02:43 PM

Sylvana

"However if someone would be truly psychic and would have truly been able to see the future, surely he would have done everyone a big favor if he would have strangled Adolf Hitler in his crib. "

Or perhaps Hitler would have grown up well adjusted but some psychopath tried to strangle him as an infant, leading him to become the charismatic mass murderer he did.

5/22/2012 11:21:08 PM



People are idiots. More specifically, people that think if Hitler would have been killed as a child Germany would not have become a dictatorship are idiots. When looking at the election result in the Weimar Republic, the KPD, German now outlawed communist party, would have quite probably dominated German politics. This would include AN ALLY FOR THE SOVIET UNION. Still want Hitler to be killed as a baby? No? Didn't think so.

5/23/2012 6:57:44 AM
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