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Christianity and Authority



Want to turn someone off to Christianity immediately? Explain to them that it is a foundationally authoritarian religion.

It is. Really. Christ did not say "Follow your conscience"; he said "Follow me."

The Bible bristles with commandments and instructions, often to excruciating detail and with elaborate (and frequently violent) punishments for infractions. And it is soaked through with authoritarian imagery: crowns (of thorns), yokes (Christ's gentle one vs. the heavy one of sin), thrones, kingdoms and kings, Fathers and mothers.

Modern man hates all order and authority and therefore cannot tolerate this. So when he does not reject Christianity outright (95% of the time) in favor of either atheism or something that appeals to his instinct for solipsistic self-worship (e.g., Buddhism), he will try to rationalize this business away through flimsy neo-Marcionite heresies, declaring Christ to be the completion and perfection of the mean old fuddy-duddy God of the Old Testament. (For why exactly this is a heresy, consult John 10:30).

So Christianity is necessarily and foundationally authoritarian, and the logical consequence of this is that Catholicism, which adheres most closely to this authoritarian ideal, is a very easy religion to comprehend. The rules are laid out: simply follow them. If you don't like it, if you have doubts, just shut up and follow them, anyway. And it's for this reason that the talk of conscience in the present Catechism strikes me as especially dangerous. Nearly everyone nowadays is pregnant with the spirit of Protestantism and so interprets conscience to mean "whatever I intuit the good to be," which of course has led us to the present catastrophic collapse in the moral integrity of the Church. How many contracepting Catholics have I argued with who have cloaked themselves in the armor of "conscience" and thereby rendered themselves invincible to every appeal to reason, tradition, Scripture, and Catechism? I've lost count. Conscience has become the dagger with which Catholic quislings backstab the bride of Christ. In practice it is not much more than the will to disbelieve.

When I try to explain this -- even to Catholics -- I'm invariably accused of conformity and blind submission. All of which is not only absolutely true but absolutely mandatory of all Christians, which has precisely been my point all along!

Submit to God's will completely and without reservation and be saved, or insist on your autonomy and rot in Hell. It shouldn't be a hard choice.


proph, collapse the blog 78 Comments [5/26/2012 3:14:55 AM]
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Woody

Want to turn someone off to Christianity immediately? Explain to them that it is a foundationally authoritarian religion.

Oh good, keep going then.

5/26/2012 3:23:19 AM

Reynardine

You've convinced me. Hell is the interesting place. I want to go there.

5/26/2012 3:35:50 AM

OhJohnNo

proph is back again to give us more of his apparent Cthulhu-worship.

5/26/2012 3:43:40 AM

davesoley

I am assuming that you are American. It's a damn good thing that our founders did not have your attitude and did not follow the bible when they were discussing rebellion. If they did they would have submitted to the authority appointed over them, its in the bible look it up, and we would possibly still be part of England.

5/26/2012 3:58:14 AM

Filin De Blanc

Yet more "God gave us free will, and then basically required that we relinquish it completely". Why bother giving it to us in the first place?

5/26/2012 4:20:22 AM

Grogs

History is full of people with this exact mindset. They ran the secret police organizations that indiscriminately sent millions of people to the gulags or the gas chambers. They did this unflinchingly because they blindly followed the orders of whatever dictator was pulling the strings without ever pondering if maybe, just maybe, there might be something morally wrong about the orders they've been given.

If the Bible is supposedly inspired by a perfect being, the morals inside should be timeless and intuitively obvious. The fact that proph has to resort to blind obedience shows just where those morals come from - ancient men who lived in a largely uncivilized culture.

5/26/2012 4:32:32 AM

Mudak

The funny thing is, you could take out the word "Catholicism" here and replace it with just about any other religion and have the message still be intact.

5/26/2012 4:43:23 AM

ScrappyB

The god of the old testament isn't a fuddy duddy. He's a genocidal psychopath.

Besides, doesn't the Bible say the debt of sin was already paid? So why do you need to go around acting like a douche and bothering people about it?

5/26/2012 4:47:27 AM

Tempus

All of which is not only absolutely true but absolutely mandatory of all Christians, which has precisely been my point all along!

And this leads to bloodshed, war and genocide. But I'm pretty sure you already know this, and somehow I don't think you mind.

5/26/2012 4:58:39 AM

Robespierre

It's refreshing to find such open lack or morality.

5/26/2012 5:43:29 AM

SpukiKitty

According to you, GOD is a dick!

I refuse to follow your Demiurgic Devil called "Bible-God".

Jesus was cool, I can relate to His version of things, His take on Deity, His moral & ethical teachings....however the manmade lies & distortions of Deity by the post-Babylonian Exile Pharassidical composers of the OT (mosty bogus, rewriten when the original was LONG lost) THAT JESUS TRIED TO CORRECT are a steaming pile of FRESH MANURE!

So, in the style of an old Johnny Paycheck tune - TAKE YER GAWD & SHOVE IT! I AIN'T WORSHIPPING HIM NO MORE!

Finally, I'M NEOPAGAN & PROUD! EAT MY SHORTS!





5/26/2012 6:28:47 AM

SpukiKitty

(cont.)
"...Fathers & mothers."
Capitalize 'Fathers' but not 'mothers'...
Misogynist asshole!
"Fathers & Mothers" - fixed!

MEET THE REAL "GOD":

Among other depictions, SO MOTE IT BE!

5/26/2012 6:34:42 AM

Tolpuddle Martyr

"The rules are laid out: simply follow them. If you don't like it, if you have doubts, just shut up and follow them, anyway."

Let me think about that...how about 'no'!

5/26/2012 6:35:25 AM

Daryl

Good to hear a shout out to Marcion. That guy doesn't get the attention he deserves. Christianity might have been a bit gentler if he'd won out.

5/26/2012 6:36:24 AM



I love how this guy has pointed out everything that is wrong with religion/christianity and still somehow manages to be a christian anyway.

How could someone explicitly WANT to be part of a totalitarian regime?

5/26/2012 6:37:13 AM

Extraintrovert

This started so well, and I was wondering what it was doing here. Then I reached the fourth paragraph, and by the middle of the fifth I didn't even have the energy for a facepalm. How someone can retain such cognitive dissonance and still be able to use a computer, I have no idea.

"The rules are laid out: simply follow them. If you don't like it, if you have doubts, just shut up and follow them, anyway."

Thank you for a brilliant example of how destructive many religions are, and why they will always fight science, curiosity and inquiry to the bitter end.

"...which of course has led us to the present catastrophic collapse in the moral integrity of the Church."

Which I'm sure has nothing whatsoever to do with all those priests fucking children.

5/26/2012 6:42:37 AM

Brendan Rizzo

I know how to refute the argument that atheistic societies are necessarily tyrannical. Just take this rant and replace all references to religion with references to communism. Since both religion and communism use identical arguments, the problem definitely isn't secularism.

5/26/2012 6:57:31 AM

Selkie

Agreed that it's not a hard choice at all. I insist on my autonomy. However, there is no hell, so I will be rotting in the ground instead. As will you. Meanwhile, life is good!

5/26/2012 6:59:53 AM



Can we give this one another High Octane Nightmare Fuel award?

5/26/2012 7:00:25 AM

KittyKaboom

@ SpukiKitty:

My sentiments exactly. BTW, I love that you ended it with EAT MY SHORTS. Haven't heard that in years. I actually LOLed! :o)

Remember the song? "Choke on polished cotton, eat my shorts..."

5/26/2012 7:07:08 AM

SpukiKitty

@KittyKaboom

THANX, KittyKaboom!

Not aware of that song but "Eat My Shorts" is a great phrase!


5/26/2012 8:24:11 AM

Berny

Since hell is a vengeance fantasy for morons, it's not a hard choice at all. Take your tyrannical god and shove him up your ass.

5/26/2012 8:30:46 AM

keefus

So there is no authority but god's, everything happens according to
his will, and man must submit absolutely to his will...?

Allah-hu akbar!

5/26/2012 8:32:26 AM

Nagol

No, if you really want to turn someone off to Christianity you should point out all the atrocities ordered or committed by the god of the bible. Or you could simply point out all of the contradictions the bible has with itself and with reality.

On another note, I'm wondering if this is the same proph that supports bullying. I wouldn't be surprised if it is.

EDIT:
Yes, it's the same twisted sociopath.

5/26/2012 8:59:49 AM

Pacal

"Submit to God's will completely and without reservation and be saved, or insist on your autonomy and rot in Hell. It shouldn't be a hard choice."

So you admit it. God should only be worshipped out of fear and in order to save your ass.

5/26/2012 9:07:32 AM
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