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[coalition of Jacksonville pastors campaigning against proposed LGBT non-discrimination ordinance]

We oppose this bill for multiple reasons. First, fundamental evangelical Christians with a biblical worldview agree homosexuality is an abominable sin according to Romans 1:22-32, and anyone supporting this bill may be in danger of having a "reprobate mind". Therefore we are refuting the small group of local pastors supporting this bill as they do not represent the majority of main stream Christianity. Second, we our calling on the city council to repent and reject this bill for these reasons. We reject the theory that this is an "anti discrimination bill" as the bill takes away the rights of the majority of our citizens and gives special rights and class to a small minority of people. We have spoken so politically correct we have desensitized a generation to homosexuality, it is not an alternative lifestyle, it is sodomy, perversion and sin. We know God will bless or curse this city according to our law and public policy as Proverbs 14:34 states "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people."

Jacksonville anti-gay pastors, Joe. My. God. 48 Comments [5/27/2012 6:37:35 AM]
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John_in_Oz

God says "If I don't find out which of you is being gay, then the whole nation will have to stay in after school".

5/27/2012 6:50:37 AM

Quantum Mechanic

Time to lose your tax exemption.

Shit-brained assholes.

5/27/2012 6:51:30 AM

LAchlan

We demand the right to bully!

5/27/2012 7:02:20 AM

OhJohnNo

These people are cunts. Complete, unapologetic cunts. I hate them.

5/27/2012 7:10:26 AM

Ebon

"they do not represent the majority of main stream Christianity"

Nor do fundiegelical whackos.

5/27/2012 7:11:24 AM

Arctic Knight

Exactly which rights are being taken away from the majority?

I hear that argument a lot, but no one who makes that claim ever successfully explains which rights they are losing. I think you're just upset that the rights of other are being upheld against your persecution.

5/27/2012 7:11:35 AM

SpukiKitty

Hey, here's a gay guy,

Would you "Men Of The Cloth" kindly tell that to his face?

Meanwhile, this happens in the Pastor's pants....

5/27/2012 7:21:29 AM

Papabear

"First, fundamental evangelical Christians with a biblical worldview agree homosexuality is an abominable sin according to Romans 1:22-32..."

But, of course, no one is forcing you to become an homosexual nor forcing you or your Church to perform same-sex marriages.

"We reject the theory that this is an "anti discrimination bill" as the bill takes away the rights of the majority of our citizens and gives special rights and class to a small minority of people."

Uh, no. You're saying that most people have a right to step on the rights of minorities? And, what 'special rights?' The issue in question is giving homosexuals the SAME rights as others, that is, for two persons who wish to be married to be allowed to get married. Nothing 'special rights' about that.

That you choose to base your life decisions on a poorly-written, ancient collection of fairy tales is your business but you needn't rain on everyone's parade.



5/27/2012 7:25:01 AM

Filin De Blanc

Rights aren't a finite commodity. Other people being given rights does not take rights away from you.

5/27/2012 7:27:17 AM

Thinking Allowed


5/27/2012 7:27:51 AM

louislois

"Therefore we are refuting the small group of local pastors supporting this bill as they do not represent the majority of main stream Christianity."

Why am I not surprised that they consider themselves the only TrueChristians™...?

5/27/2012 8:13:13 AM

Nagol

Hateful fundamentalist bigots like you don't represent mainstream Christianity either, and no one cares if you think homosexuality is a sin. Also, this bill doesn't take rights away from the majority and give special rights to gay people, it gives them the same protections everyone else has. You know this, but you lie about it anyway so you can find an excuse to continue discriminating against people who you hate for no good reason.

5/27/2012 8:17:11 AM

Mayhem

Well, fundamental evangelical Christians with a biblical worldview can kiss my ass.

5/27/2012 8:18:34 AM

D Laurier

What the hell is a "reprobate mind"?
Seriously, these loons keep refering to it.

5/27/2012 8:50:03 AM

JSS

Sooo...

A bunch of rich pastors with tax exempt status believe that unfair discrimination of a vulnerable minority of the population is okay. This is simply because of their own delusions, such as the idea that they have a "right" to persecute, demean, and otherwise discriminate against this minority, the idea that scripture grants them this "right" and is legitimate in a court of law, and the idea that legislature taking such a "right" away is the real persecution. They continue to make rather childish empty threats on behalf of their invisible bouncer "God" to promote their fascist, theocratic agendas on those whose only crime was having a different sexual orientation. Oh, did I forget to mention these pastors have tax exempt status?


Where are the Coliseum lions when you need 'em?

5/27/2012 9:17:12 AM

fmitchell

@D Laurier

Romans 1:28 refers to a "reprobate mind" in the KJV version, which we all know was written by God Himself under the pseudonym of "King James". The heretical NIV uses the phrase "depraved mind", which makes more sense in modern English and therefore is to be shunned.

5/27/2012 9:28:37 AM

Canuovea

You know, I've been thinking of the "persecuted, persecuted, not persecuted" image.

Fundie Christians are a smaller subset (sub sect?) of Christianity, and therefore a minority. Minorities tend to be persecuted from time to time. Then again, I wouldn't say they are really being persecuted in the standard way.

Two, some Christians in the USA (and elsewhere) are persecuted! Yup, that's right. Even that picture of them at the massed prayer/money drive thing includes a whole bunch of persecuted Christians.

Except who is doing the persecuting? It isn't a force outside their religion in most instances... The more powerful Christians often seem to persecute the less powerful ones. "Gimmie Money!" and all that.

"Would Jesus wear a Rolex on his television show?" -Ray Stevens.

5/27/2012 9:37:14 AM

Osiris

And what rights is this bill taking away? It better not be your right to infringe and persecute a minority, because you never had that right in the first place. No one is stopping you from believing that being gay is a sin, but your right doesn't include the right to use the law to act on that belief by disenfranchising them.

5/27/2012 10:41:16 AM

dfmfundies

@ D Laurier:

What the hell is a "reprobate mind"?

Romans 1:28 (KJV): And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.

5/27/2012 10:58:14 AM

farpadokly

Can't you pass a law that will keep these sort of people out of politics? Make advocating a theocracy treason against the state or something? And when are they going to understand that quoting from the Bible holds no weight whatsoever, because the Bible is not the law?

5/27/2012 11:15:15 AM



"First, fundamental evangelical Christians with a biblical worldview agree homosexuality is an abominable sin"

" Therefore we are refuting the small group of local pastors supporting this bill as they do not represent the majority of main stream Christianity."


You can't have it both ways. "Fundamental" evangelicals do NOT represent mainstream Christianity. They are fringe wackos in the opinion of most mainstream Christians.

"it is not an alternative lifestyle"

At least you got one thing right.

5/27/2012 11:32:12 AM

checkmate

fundamental evangelical Christians with a biblical worldview agree homosexuality is an abominable sin according to Romans 1:22-32

Yeah? So what? Who cares?

God will bless or curse this city according to our law and public policy

Funny, the areas with same-sex marriage laws are doing just fine in all respects while the Bible belt is being flushed down the toilet and torn to pieces by tornados.

Does God have bad aim or are you just full of shit?

5/27/2012 11:42:03 AM

Miyamoto Musashi

THIS was the sin of YOUR SISTER SODOM: she and her daughters were arrogant, OVERFED, and unconcerned; they did not HELP the POOR and needy. EZEKIEL 16:49.

/Baptist preacher

5/27/2012 12:05:22 PM

Filin De Blanc

"We know God will bless or curse this city according to our law and public policy as Proverbs 14:34 states "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people."

Well I say you have to allow gay marriage or Princess Celestia will curse all of you.

5/27/2012 12:07:08 PM

gravematter

You have a perfect right to disagree with gay marriage. However, you do not have the right to impose your views on everyone else. Homosexuality is mentioned much less in the Bible than many other "sins", but you don't get all up in arms about shellfish or menstruating women, do you?

5/27/2012 12:21:34 PM
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