Quote# 87583

[Arabic is being taught as an optional course in a NYC school.]

Is the ACLU paying attention? To study Arabic is to study Islam. I don’t particularly care if one studies Arabic, but this level of religious association would be enough to get a Christian study thrown out.

You can’t speak conversational Arabic without invoking the name Allah in every other sentence.

From Wikipedia:

“Some Muslims present a monogenesis of languages and claim that the Arabic language was the language revealed by God for the benefit of mankind and the original language as a prototype symbolic system of communication, based upon its system of triconsonantal roots, spoken by man from which all other languages were derived, having first been corrupted.”

Alan, Moonbattery 74 Comments [5/30/2012 3:33:24 AM]
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Arabic = a foreign language

Islam = a religion

Not all arabic speaking people are islamic.

5/30/2012 7:49:11 AM


I speak Arabic as a second language. It's true that Muslim vocabulary is so deeply embedded in the language that it's almost impossible to avoid using it. Just like Christian vocabulary is deeply embedded in English.

5/30/2012 8:08:06 AM


You must have a doctorate in pig Latin.

5/30/2012 8:08:53 AM

There are plenty of Christian Arabs too, you know

5/30/2012 8:55:38 AM


So, does that mean that any lawyer who has to learn Latin is automatically studying Catholicism? I'm not sure that's how it works.

5/30/2012 9:06:26 AM


"Is the ACLU paying attention? To study Arabic is to study Islam."

I had no idea I worshipped ancient Anglo-Saxon & Celtic deities.

So, everyone who knows Hebrew is automatically Jewish?

If I learned Japanese, whould that automatically make me Shinto?

5/30/2012 9:14:47 AM


Christian Arabs speak Arabic. They also use the word "Allah" when referring to God because that's what the word means.
Is everyone on Moonbattery fucktarded?
(rhetorical question)

5/30/2012 9:14:56 AM

Learning any Romance language is to study Christianity -particularly if also learning the literature of that language. I don't see many English courses getting thrown out. and, of course, they're not for much the same reason. This whole line of thought is totally bonkers.

5/30/2012 9:16:06 AM


I invoke the name God every now and again. I don't believe in any gods, it's just old habit.

That citation can be said about Christians and Latin/Greek/Hebrew too, ya know...

5/30/2012 9:24:33 AM


To study Arabic is to study Islam.

CleverScreenName is right. When I took classes in Arabic at the university, we stuck to newspaper articles and the like. But for those who were really *studying* Arabic, that subject was basically tantamount to Islamic Studies. This of course doesn't mean that those students became Muslims, but, yes, it's nearly impossible to deal with Arabic without tripping over Islam left, right, and center.

Now, on the same note, if you want to study Renaissance Art, it's impossible to do it without Christianity. The same goes for Early Modern literature: almost all of it is about Christianity in some shape or form.

However, this brings us to a big *so fucking what?*

I can be an expert on Shakespeare without becoming an Elizabethan minstrel who runs around in tights and bows down to a monarch. The same goes for Arabic. As long as I don't run around saying "la 'ilah 'illa-llahi ..."

5/30/2012 9:28:01 AM

Doctor Whom

Like, oh my God, you can't speak conversational English without invoking the name of the Christian deity in every other sentence. Jesus Christ, is the ACLU paying attention?

5/30/2012 9:28:58 AM

Big Jilm

I'm not sure how people learning a language violates your civil rights, but I'm sure in your batshit bizarro fucked-up brain, it makes some kind of sense.

I can see it now:

*ACLU agent hops out of the black helicopter to knock on your door"

ACLU Agent: "Excuse me, Alan, but we hear that you're completely butthurt that kids are learning a different language so we're here to raise some hell!"

*Alan rushes up to answer the door from his mom's basement in a mustard-stained Bobba Fet t-shirt"

Alan: "Uh yeah, let me just clean up here" *hides his sock*

5/30/2012 9:49:47 AM


"To study Arabic is to study Islam". Nope. You get Arabic-speaking Christians.
And, please note the very next sentence of that Wikipedia article: "Statements spread in later centuries regarding the Arabic language being the language of Paradise are not considered authentic according to the scholars of Hadith and are widely discredited."

5/30/2012 10:02:30 AM


Not all Arabs are Muslims, dumbass. There are plenty of Arab Christians as well. And guess what? Arab Christians say "Allah" as well because the literal translation is "the God." It's a literal translation! Claiming Allah and God are not the same being is like if you claimed Hispanic Christians worship a false god named Dios and French and French-Canadian Christians worshiped a false god named Dieu.

5/30/2012 10:02:56 AM

Just like how you can't speak German without worshipping the Fuhrer, Norweigan without becomine intimately involved in Astaru Wodenism, or learn how to read Japanese and avoid becoming bound by the code of Bushido and performing Shinto rituals every day.

Oh, wait. Language hasn't got a fucking thing to do with any of that shit.

Knowing Latin doesn't make you Catholic and speaking English doesn't make you a Christian Protestant. Speaking 'Moonbat' on the other hand requires you to abandon all sense and sanity.

5/30/2012 10:26:51 AM


Arabs existed before Islam, you stupid fuck.

5/30/2012 10:42:47 AM


Yes, and learning to speak Chinese converts you to Buddhism. It has nothing to do with the fact that learning a foreign language could have possible and likely future advantages in a global era, no, that couldn't be it.

5/30/2012 11:06:08 AM


@Reynardine: ...EH?! They did know that Communism was much younger than Russia, yes?

{sigh} First the dictates of only going to the KJV, now this. Where do people get the idea that languages are innately sorcerous?!

5/30/2012 11:11:45 AM

Old Viking

The logic! It's crystalline! It's piercing! Geezus!

5/30/2012 11:15:05 AM

D Laurier

To study Arabic is to study Arabic. Islam is a religion.

You can speak arabic without invoking the name the-god (al-lah) at all. BTW Allah is not a name at all. It is a TITLE.

5/30/2012 11:18:39 AM


"Hal anti binton!"

See? Not a single reference to any mythological being.

5/30/2012 11:44:19 AM


So since Roman Catholics use Latin, the ACLU should sue to stop teaching that, too?

Some Muslims present a monogenesis of languages and claim that the Arabic language was the language revealed by God for the benefit of mankind

Some Jews make the same claim about Hebrew. And some Baptists claim they were the original Christians and Freemasons claim to trace their heritage back to the builders of the pyramids. So what? Any fool can make a foolish claim.

5/30/2012 12:33:11 PM

Giardano Bruno

Lots of Jewish people speak Arabic as a first language too

5/30/2012 1:09:12 PM


@ Big Jilm:

I see what you did there! ;-)

5/30/2012 1:15:50 PM


Yeah, the community college in my old home town in Illinois taught LOTS of languages, Arabic being just one of them.

And you know what? Knowledge is power!

5/30/2012 1:34:45 PM

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