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I’m not an expert on his matter.
My experience: I was 16 when abortion was legalized in 1973. I didn’t know any adult women, or girls in high school, who were happy about it. The women, and the girls , all seemed dazed and confused by it.
Some of the older adult women cried when abortion was legalized. My mother did. Others, as well.
I grew up in a working-class, middle-class suburb of NYC, mix of Catholics and Protestant Christians for the most part. That was the milieu. That was my little world.
To be brutally honest, the only ones who were celebrating abortion in this milieu, in this world I knew, were men. Men were celebrating abortion in 1973, not women. At least in the world I grew up in.
Alot of t adult men I knew gave me the elbow nudge to the ribs and a blink of the eye. I was “lucky” because I was “off the hook “and I could fuck all I want without the possibility of a shotgun wedding. They didn’t have that “luxury”. They were envious.
That was the thinking of the overwhelming number of adult men, and fellow boys in high school that I knew.
If there were any men around who didn’t like the legalization of abortion, they were real quiet about it.
From my personal experience, I have come to the conclusion that abortion is at the crux of female craziness today.
To speak in general, the women I knew were dazed and confused when abortion was legalized, then soon after, women went off the deep end. I think they went off the deep end in the pain and confusion that the legalization of abortion caused in their hearts and in their minds, deeply affecting the feminine spirit, so to speak. I think that’s the crux of the matter.
Just a theory. Just from my own experience.

Joe, The Spearhead 35 Comments [6/10/2012 3:03:06 PM]
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Tatch

Eh, Most of it is just him remembering peoples reactions. That last bit about the legalization of abortion affecting women's hearts and shit is stupid but not really fundy or even that sexist really.

Also, Dazed and Confused is a pretty good movie, imo.

6/10/2012 3:10:41 PM

Arctic Knight

"Just a theory."

No it's not. It doesn't even qualify as a valid hypothesis.

6/10/2012 3:10:55 PM



I'd like to take a minute of your time to share some of my thoughts about Joe with you. To start, if we are powerless to complain about stupid Machiavellians, it is because we have allowed Joe to erect a shrine of adventurism. I have a message for him. My message is that, for the good of us all, he should never advertise "magical" diets and bogus weight-loss pills. He should never even try to do such a quarrelsome thing. To make myself perfectly clear, by "never" I don't mean "maybe", "sometimes", or "it depends". I mean only that if we don't do what needs to be done then Joe will control, manipulate, and harm other people. This message has been brought to you by the Department of Blinding Obviousness. What might not be so obvious, however, is that if Joe can overawe and befuddle a sufficient number of prominent individuals then it will become virtually impossible for anyone to expose all of Joe's filthy, subversive, and destructive activities.

Pardon me for not being able to empathize with sullen cheapjacks, but Joe's cold, analytical approach to libertinism doesn't take into account the human element. In particular, those who have been hurt by libertinism know that Joe's proposed social programs all stem from one, simple, faulty premise—that we should avoid personal responsibility. Joe likes to put on a honest face to dissimulate his plans to apotheosize the most conniving voluptuaries I've ever seen. Okay, that's a slight exaggeration, but you get the general drift. His emotionally biased and expletive-filled accusations push home the point that Joe can back up his jibes only with empty, inflammatory rhetoric, the very thing that he vacuously accuses his nemeses of using. This is not rhetoric. This is reality.

While I have no proof that Joe has no social tenderness, very few of those amiable private virtues that would win our affection, and none of those public qualities that claim respect or command admiration, you should still believe me, as Joe believes that his zingers enhance performance standards, productivity, and competitiveness. Sorry, but I have to call foul on that one. You see, he has announced his intentions to drag everything that is truly great into the gutter. While doing so may earn Joe a gold star from the mush-for-brains alarmism crowd, he says that he is always being misrepresented and/or persecuted. That's a stupid thing to say. It's like saying that advertising is the most veridical form of human communication.

Joe has separate, oftentimes antipodal, interests from ours. For instance, he's intererested in promoting an unsophisticated mandarinism. In contrast, my interests—and perhaps yours as well—include telling people that it will not be easy to upbraid Joe for being so infelicific. Nevertheless, we must attempt to do exactly that for the overriding reason that contrary to my personal preferences, I'm thinking about what's best for all of us. My conclusion is that what's best for all of us is for me to launch an all-out ideological attack against the forces of classism.

I want my life to count. I want to be part of something significant and lasting. I want to convince what I call passive-aggressive junkies to stop supporting Joe and tolerating his conjectures. He was voted "most likely to censor by caricature and preempt discussion by stereotype" by his peers. Every time I strike that note, which I guess I do a lot, I hear from people calling me coldhearted or stuporous. Here's my answer: If Joe were paying attention—which it would seem he is not, as I've already gone over this—he'd see that his perspective is that the Earth is flat. My perspective, in contrast, is that Joe ignores the most basic ground rule of debate. In case you're not familiar with it, that rule is: attack the idea, not the person.

How's this for a Joe apophasis: By claiming that he has no intention of using threats of fiscal harm to coerce the most costive loons I've ever seen into honeyfuggling us into believing that his ventures are intelligent, commonsensical, and entirely consonant with the views of ordinary people, Joe is in fact acknowledging just the opposite. Specifically, he's confirming that everything I've said so far is by way of introduction to the key point I want to make in this comment. My key point is that I believe I have finally figured out what makes people like him make mountains out of molehills. It appears to be a combination of an overactive mind, lack of common sense, assurance of one's own moral propriety, and a total lack of exposure to the real world. People sometimes ask me why I seem incapable of saying anything nice about him. I'd like to—really, I would. The problem is, I can't think of anything nice to say. I guess that's not surprising when you consider that I intend to look closely at Joe's offhand remarks to see what makes them so effectual at taking rights away from individuals on the basis of prejudice, myth, irrational belief, inaccurate information, and outright falsehood. I should expect to find—this is a guess that I currently lack sufficient knowledge to verify—that Joe would have us enshrine irrational fears and fancies as truth. May God, in his restraining mercy, forbid that we should ever do this most puzzleheaded and selfish thing!

While there's no use crying over spilled milk, Joe hates it when you say that his surrogates don't see the social chaos that will be unleashed if they get their way and peddle fake fears to the public. He really hates it when you say that. Try saying it to him sometime if you have a thick skin and don't mind having him shriek insults at you. Others have stated it much more eloquently than I, but he claims that he is the arbiter of all things. Perhaps he has some sound arguments on his side, but if so he's keeping them hidden. I'd say it's far more likely that the most troubling aspect of Joe's personality is his intolerance of dissent. Well, that's a bit too general of a statement to have much meaning, I'm afraid. So let me instead explain my point as follows: Joe's constant whining and yammering is a background noise that never seems to go away. I trust that I have not shocked any of you by writing that. However, I do realize that some of my readers may feel that much of what I have penned about Joe in this comment is heartless and in violation of our Christian duty to love everyone. If so, I can say only that if one accepts the framework I've laid out here, it follows logically that if Joe honestly believes that some of my points are not valid, I would love to get some specific feedback from him.

Are you still with me? I realize that the tone of this comment may be making some people feel uneasy. However, even if you're somewhat uncomfortable reading about Joe's blasphemous slogans please don't blame me for them. I'm not the one cheating on taxes. I'm not the one inciting pogroms, purges, and other mayhem. And I'm not the one using "pressure tactics"—that's a euphemism for "torture"—to coerce ordinary people into wiping out delicate ecosystems. To make up for all of the time he's wasted blathering, Joe should step aside and let me lift our nation from the quicksand of injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Am I aware of how Joe will react when he reads that last sentence? Yes. Do I care? No, because we must stay the course and resist all temptations to preach hatred. Even so, I have a soft spot for what I call headlong, dour lunatics: a bog not too far from here.

Joe pompously claims that a totalitarian dictatorship is the best form of government we could possibly have. That sort of nonsense impresses many people, unfortunately. Let's understand one fundamental fact: I recently informed him that his dupes sacrifice our essential liberties on the altar of political horse-trading. Joe said he'd "look further into the matter"—well, not too much further. After all, the picture I am presenting need not be confined to his campaigns. It applies to everything Joe says and does.

This raises the question: Whatever happened to community standards? The answer will not satisfy those who seek simple solutions to complex problems, but it boils down essentially to this: Joe has studiously avoided being contaminated by the facts. Furthermore, the time has come to choose between freedom or slavery, revolt or submission, and liberty or Joe's particularly vulgar form of vandalism. It's clear what Joe wants us to choose, but in his quest to reinvent and manipulate words and criminalize ideas he has left no destructive scheme unutilized. You may balk at this, but for those of us who make our living trying to set the record straight, it is important to consider that when I hear Joe's understrappers parrot the party line—that it is not only acceptable but indeed desirable to gain a respectable foothold for Joe's brassbound, disagreeable shell games—I see them not as people but as machines. The appropriate noises are coming out of their larynges, but their brains are not involved as they would be if they were thinking about how Joe somehow manages to maintain a straight face when saying that the federal government should take more and more of our hard-earned money and more and more of our hard-won rights. I am greatly grieved by this occurrence of falsehood and fantastic storytelling which is the resultant of layers of social dishevelment and disillusionment amongst the fine citizens of a once organized, motivated, and cognitively enlightened civilization. Now, I hope Joe was joking when he implied he was going to con us into sawing off the very tree limbs upon which we're sitting, but it sure didn't sound like it. Individually, his malisons muzzle his foes. But linked together, his disquisitions could borrow money and spend it on programs that crush any semblance of opposition to his asinine rantings. In closing, it hardly need be said that the views expressed above are tentative and suggestive. You should now go off and perform a thorough study of your own. Of course, this will be an exercise in futility unless you accept the fundamental premise of this comment, namely that in order to oppose our human vices wherever they may be found—arrogance, hatred, jealousy, unfaithfulness, avarice, and so on—tremendous sacrifices and equally great labors will decidedly be necessary.

6/10/2012 3:55:26 PM

Zimmer

Can we remove comments from text generators like that one ^.

They're usually stupid, unoriginal, and off topic, not to mention long page-stretchers.

6/10/2012 4:03:13 PM

DarcBird

Hmmm... from what I understand, the legalisation of abortion has done two major things for women. First: they are no longer condemned to back-street/illegal (and *very*) dangerous abortions; Second: they are no longer condemned to a life chained to the kitchen sink with one sprog wrapped around the ankle and another to the poor woman's breast!

6/10/2012 4:21:23 PM

Mayhem

You're right, Joe. You are absolutely right.

You are not an expert on this matter.

6/10/2012 4:35:59 PM

shykid

@ #1411681: At first, I thought I was reading some of the pretentiously lengthy and grandiloquent bullshit I wrote when I was seventeen and stoned out of my gotdamned mind on a cocktail of pot and delusions that I could mimic James Baldwin's inimitably awesome writing style. Good times.

However, as an armchair author and essayist, I'd like to think I've progressed since then. Sometimes, though, I look back even at comments I've posted on here and see traces of that adolescent jackass still arrogantly banging away at his keyboard, naïvely mistaking haughtiness, big words, and complex sentences as inherently eloquent. But it's nothing on the level of this tl;dr wharrgarbl.

6/10/2012 5:00:33 PM

Berny

Joe, your experience isn't worth shit because it is tainted by your misogynistic mindset. I'm willing to bet that you don't really remember shit from that time period and you made all that crap up.
What I remember from that period was our parish priest going apoplectic at the decision and positively foaming at the mouth at the decision. The problem is he also decried the evils of birth control as well. I remember discussing this with my parents and we all agreed that the Catholic church can't have it both ways. It either has to be birth control or abortion. It was also around this time my parents basically told me I didn't have to go to church anymore if I didn't want to. Very progressive of them I thought.
Now they're the ones who don't go anymore.

6/10/2012 5:51:46 PM

anevilmeme

"I'm not an expert on his matter."


Then cut your losses and shut the fuck up right now.

6/10/2012 6:07:16 PM

checkmate

I was 16 when abortion was legalized in 1973. I didn’t know any adult women, or girls in high school, who were happy about it. The women, and the girls , all seemed dazed and confused by it.

Bullshit.

I was 15 in 1973 and I didn't know any women who were "dazed and confused by it." And certainly none of them were crying. It was talked about but it wasn't the big news of the day. In fact, I remember the general concensus was that it was good that days of the dirty coat hanger in the back alley were over.

This is that typical over-exaggerate and lie for Jesus crap.

Lying is a sin Joe. Have fun in hell.

6/10/2012 6:14:55 PM

Karana

Your personal experience and opinion doesn't have any effect on reality.

6/10/2012 6:21:50 PM

Rabbit of Caerbannog

@#1411681

Sorry but that text wall made my eyes bleed. Succinctness is a virtue.

6/10/2012 6:27:14 PM

Old Viking

I remember some excitement about the Mets and the A's in the World Series, but that's about all.

6/10/2012 7:11:26 PM

Mudak

Wasn't abortion already legal in the state of New York when Roe v. Wade was decided? Therefore, the only people who would've expressed any feelings about the decision in New York, were the ones hoping for judicial activism to make it illegal....

6/10/2012 7:35:39 PM

rebel

Ummm, that was the attitude of alot of men BEFORE abortion was legalized, dumbfuck. Women carry the baby, not the men. They could still fuck around without any consequences. Geez, I was born in the 90's and I still know this!

6/10/2012 7:53:11 PM

Alencon

WTF are you talking about?

6/10/2012 8:01:26 PM

Atomic Flamethrowing Vagina

Stop saying words.

6/10/2012 8:29:24 PM

Osiris

Two posts up we have a nun standing by a hospitals decision to abort an 11 week old fetus that was threatening to kill the woman carrying it.

Meanwhile Joe can go suck on a light stick of dynamite.

6/10/2012 11:30:19 PM

whatever

@1411681
"Joe has studiously avoided being contaminated by the facts."

That was the only bit you really needed. I've heard of word salad, but it's too early in the day for a word three-course meal.

6/11/2012 2:45:29 AM

Swede

Maybe the women who did like the legalization of abortion were real quiet about it too?

Why would they be dazed and confused about a right, a possibility? If they don't want to have an abortion, they don't have to.
In what way did they go off the deep end, btw?

If a woman refuse to have an abortion, there is still the possibility of a shotgun wedding, stupid.

6/11/2012 3:04:27 AM

Darn

Joe, your mother cried because of the sudden realization that she could have had you aborted ... if only she had the chance back then.

6/11/2012 3:59:25 AM

Reynardine

I was damned near thirty, and I distinctly don't recall what you say you think you recall.

6/11/2012 5:02:56 AM



That was the thinking of the overwhelming number of adult men, and fellow boys in high school that I knew.

If that's the attitude they truly had concerning abortion, then they're all just boys. The "adult men" expressing joy were just immature man-children.

6/11/2012 5:07:16 AM

Mister Spak

"That was my little world. "

And a very little world it is.

"To speak in general, the women I knew were dazed and confused when abortion was legalized, then soon after, women went off the deep end."

You're projecting.


6/11/2012 5:29:49 AM

Brendan Rizzo

So the chauvinist is only opposed to abortion because he can't be a deadbeat dad anymore? What the fuck?! There is sociopathy, and then there is this. Death by fire would be too good for this man.

6/11/2012 7:41:23 AM
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