[re: the fish-tetrapod transitional fossil tiktaalik being found in the very geological stratum predicted by evolution]
And tiktaalik might have been found in that deep stratum for either of at least two reasons:
1. It was less able to seek higher ground than other, "smarter" animals, and thus was buried deep in the Flood.
2. It is actually an antediluvian laboratory chimera and hence an out-of-place artifact of a society already known to have been inordinately cruel.
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Mr Hurlbut's name is marginally funnier than his two points.
I know it is juvenile of me but Hurlbut?
Does he have friends called Biggus Dickus and Incontinentia Buttocks?
Of course I could have typed something refuting his two points but why waste time?
Let's all just bow our heads, and have a little quiet Bill Hicks moment.
"Dinosaur fossils? God put those there to test our faith." Thank God I'm strapped in right now here man. I think God put you here to test my faith, Dude. You believe that? "Uh huh." Does that trouble anyone here? The idea that God.. might be...fuckin' with our heads? I have trouble sleeping with that knowledge. Some prankster God running around: "Hu hu ho. We will see who believes in me now, ha HA.”
"It was less able to seek higher ground than other, "smarter" animals, and thus was buried deep in the Flood."
But strangely, it was smart enough to work out the precise height of ground palaeontologists thousands of years later would deduce it would be found in using an 'incorrect' theory of development that hadn't been thought of yet. Go figure.
"It is actually an antediluvian laboratory chimera and hence an out-of-place artifact of a society already known to have been inordinately cruel."
I would mock this nonsense, except at the original link i found this:
Furthermore, the last objection of uniformitarian astronomers to the creation model is about to fall. Specifically, uniformitarians insist that Adam could not have seen the stars in the sky 6100 years ago, because the light from the most-distant objects in the sky could not have reached the earth even in 6100 years, much less in the two days between the creation of the stars and the creation of Adam. But according to cosmological relativity, clocks on earth ran more slowly, by many orders of magnitude, than did clocks at the edge of the cosmos. Specifically, they ran slowly enough for the light from the distant objects to reach the earth at the recorded time, regardless of their distance
1. Do you know what geology is? Even the faintest idea? Thought not.
2. Hang on, are you saying... a wizard did it?
I actually quite like the idea of prehistoric pranksters botching up monster fossils to play tricks on their descendants. A while back I even wrote a science fiction short on a similar subject. It's laughably silly to treat such a concept as a real possibility of course, but as fiction it has interesting potential.
Isn't it amazing how Tiktaalik decided to die exactly and only where it would make the Theory of Evolution even more plausible? Tiktaalik must have REALLY hated creationists! Then again, they probably tried to convert him and made him listen to Christian rock music* so I don't blame him one bit.
*This isn't the same as modern Christian rock music such as Creed but literally music made with rocks. Still, it was just as annoying.
It is actually an antediluvian laboratory chimera and hence an out-of-place artifact of a society already known to have been inordinately cruel.
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Also, please don't sully my name, Terry. To put it bluntly: I pwn your god.
It is actually an antediluvian laboratory chimera and hence an out-of-place artifact of a society already known to have been inordinately cruel.
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Also, please don't sully my name, Terry. To put it bluntly: I pwn your god.
It is actually an antediluvian laboratory chimera and hence an out-of-place artifact of a society already known to have been inordinately cruel.
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Also, please don't sully my name, Terry. To put it bluntly: I pwn your god.
I figured it was only a matter of time before ol' Chuckarse made it onto here.
"[A]ntediluvian laboratory chimera"...seriously, what is he smoking, and where can I get some?
3.It was buried by leprechauns.
4. It was dumped there by extraterrestrials because it wasn't fresh.
See, anybody can make stuff up ...
Actually, (1) is stupid: since tiktaalik was a fish, it wouldn't have needed to seek higher ground.
And if you're a Flat Earther, then you could explain gravity by saying it's just an illusion caused by a flat earth accelerating at 1 g. It is impossible to argue with antirationalists, because they refuse to understand the standards of evidence.
Of course, it is quite possible that Hurlbut is indeed a Flat Earther. Which would only prove my point.
1. If the animals are organized in the fossil strata by intelligence in escaping the flood water, why are they ordered so perfectly instead of being overlapping uniform distributions? Couldn't there have been a particularly smart compsognathus and a particularly derpy smilodon?
2. What the actual fuck?!
> antediluvian laboratory chimera
Why does an omnipotent, all-wise, all-knowing God need to create "laboratory chimeras"? Can't He get his shit right the first time?
"the fish-tetrapod transitional fossil tiktaalik"
Wow... would this mean it's basically a fish with legs and can swim and breathe water?
"It was less able to seek higher ground than other, "smarter" animals, and thus was buried deep in the Flood."
IT FUCKING SWIMS!!!!
Very commendable of you to point out these evolution busting tit-bits Terry. However, once you point out the obvious truth, as revealed in the greatest science text book ever written, the Bible, then all else is redundant.
Once everyone realizes that God took a handful of dust, muttered abracadabra, and lo, there sat a man called Adam, then evolution is dead in the ground.
Or maybe, just maybe, tiktaalik showed up exactly where scientists said he would because they were right all along! Of course, that would mean you were wrong, and we can't have that.
And.....the silver medal in mental gymnastics goes to......Terry Hurlbut.
Sorry, Andy already took all of the gold.
A fish seeking 'higher ground'..... Dafuq?
How 'bout reason 3: 'It died and was covered by sediment that hardened and sealed the fossil thousands of years ago, proving evolution right and Fundies wrong.'
"antediluvian laboratory chimera"
Terry Hurlbut (hehehe) just solved all the creationists' problems. All the fossil evidence is just the barbarous works of antidiluvian scientists! This sounds sooooo much better than the devil buried them.
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I'm with you Netboy, I know its juvenile but I still laugh everytime I see the name "Hurlbut".
However, Hurlbut must a synonym for Dumbass because this argument is retarded. OK, you want to explain the layered fossil record by claiming that smarter animals would have been better able to reach higher ground during the flood. On the surface that makes a little sense I guess...a little. The problem is that it is 100% true. Apparently there was not one human being that was too sick, or too handicapped to make it to higher ground. No one was in jail. Every single human being that we have found was able to get to higher ground. Every other advanced primate as well.
Fucking idiot. Get off my internet.
And by the way, David B. FTW! That was awesome dude.
Evolution is more vulnerable than ever? Does this idiot honestly think that the distribution of animal fossils in the stratum is due to the "dumber" animals not being able to make it to higher ground?
Can anyone honestly believe this with not a single exception ever discovered? Not to mention the little issue of different levels of radioactive decay.
I don't even fucking understand the second "reason." There was an antedeluvian society in fucking Northern Canada with laboratories? And your evidence for this is?
I mean, WTF? I have to stop reading FSTDT. One of these days my head is going to explode.
Pffft, the successful prediction by evolution was just a fluke.
Pre-Flood laboratory experiment of ancient sadistic scientists is clearly a much more likely explanation.
Antediluvian Laboratory Chimera.
Their first few albums were quite good, but they sold out after that.
Yes, this cruel antediluvian society planted those bones there so as to trick souls to not believe in jeebus and thereby go to hell.... (how they knew about jeebus coming in the future is not well documented, but you must accept that on faith). Their goal was to convince you of Darwinism, thereby misleading you into sin. (and again, how they knew about Darwin is also sketchy, but hey, a fast talking preacher can smooth that over)
I immediately looked-up tiktaalik in the universally recognized general science text book, The Holy Bible, and it said, "tiktaalik, the product of an invisible wizard with a penchant for kinds and His hocus pocus mutterings. Conjured into existence approximately 6000 years ago."
Proof positive.
Fullmetal Alchemist is a work of fiction. There are no Atlantian time machines, Egyptian laser beams, or ancient Greek androids.
If there were, you'd think we'd have found their remains or that they'd still be around after rendering God impotent with their amphibious iron chariots.
"WHERE'S THE TRANSITIONAL FOSSILS?!! *HURR HURR* CROCODUCK *BLAH BLAH*!!!..."
*Tiktaalik is found*
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"antediluvian laboratory chimera"
Sounds like a neat rock band name!
actually, it would be pretty cool for a story if the deluge wasn't the result of an angry god restarting the world, but an ancient laboratory accidentally unleashing a plague of creatures that would have overrun the planet, so the earth council decided to take an extreme countermeasure and flood everything.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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