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Years ago I said what the ultimate goal of this homosexual agenda was not this sexual orientation where you are wired to a particular way but ultimately the abolition of gender. It’s hard for us to even comprehend that, how can you abolish the concept or the construct of gender, male and female, it’s so objective, it’s so obvious, how can you do that? But that’s exactly what they want to do: anything that you see is just fictitious; it’s only what’s in your mind. If you abolish the concept of gender you ultimately undermine morality, you ultimately have no morality and norms for men and women or sexual behavior. As Alfred Kinsey ultimately wanted to do, he wanted to undermine morality in marriage. Why? So he could undermine the very concept of God himself.

Mat Staver, Right Wing Watch 45 Comments [6/19/2012 4:42:25 AM]
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Reynardine

Somebody read "The Left Hand of Darkness" and freaked out.

6/19/2012 5:03:56 AM

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

The LGBT community does bring gender into question since some chose to switch their gender, but no one is trying to abolish gender altogether.
If your god is so all powerful, how can he be undermined by a small portion of the population?

6/19/2012 5:09:09 AM

Berny

No one is advocating abolishing gender. What they're trying to get you to realize is that sexuality is more complicated than simply looking at XX and XY chromosomes. The problem is that the Bronze Age patriarch you rely on for your morality didn't have a clue either.

6/19/2012 5:35:12 AM

Mad_Jester

Gender!=morality.
Morality!=deity.

I have a couple of genderqueer friends. They're some of the most honest, supportive, tolerant, forthright and steadfast people I know. Conversely, I know a lot of spiteful, petty, bigoted xenophobes with crucifixes around their necks.

6/19/2012 5:40:04 AM

Filin De Blanc

Not everything is about your stupid belief system, y'know.

6/19/2012 5:54:09 AM

Woody

I think you'll find that no-one wants to abolish gender, even if such a thing were possible. There is no evidence of anybody, anywhere asking for this.

Equal rights for everyone regardless of creed, race, gender, orientation or belief is just that; equal rights and it is not everyone being somehow identical as you seem to have failed to grasp. If you do not have any valid arguments to bring to the table, STFU.

6/19/2012 6:01:12 AM

Mister Spak

"anything that you see is just fictitious it’s only what’s in your mind."

Shiney mirror.

6/19/2012 6:09:40 AM

Doubting Thomas

Why exactly would they want to do that? I mean, what would abolishing genders accomplish? Do these people ever realize how crazy they sound when they write stuff like this?

I'd think there are better ways to undermine God than doing that, and if your God can be undermined by doing away with genders, then he's not a very powerful god.

6/19/2012 6:13:02 AM

Aspergus

How in hell did this fool ever get to become a lawyer??

6/19/2012 6:30:22 AM

fishtank

.... God is gender?

God, as a concept, undermines itself.

6/19/2012 6:31:42 AM

Brendan Rizzo

There is at least one non-sequitur in here. I trust the readers to find it.

6/19/2012 6:50:16 AM

Horsefeathers

"Years ago I said what the ultimate goal of this homosexual agenda was not this sexual orientation where you are wired to a particular way but ultimately the abolition of gender."

Say what now?

"It’s hard for us to even comprehend that, how can you abolish the concept or the construct of gender, male and female, it’s so objective, it’s so obvious, how can you do that?"

Why would you do that would be a better question to start with.

"But that’s exactly what they want to do: anything that you see is just fictitious; it’s only what’s in your mind."

The nice men in white coats tell you that often, don't they?

"If you abolish the concept of gender you ultimately undermine morality, you ultimately have no morality and norms for men and women or sexual behavior."

I fail to see how morality is tied to gender.

"As Alfred Kinsey ultimately wanted to do, he wanted to undermine morality in marriage. Why? So he could undermine the very concept of God himself."

Oh, obviously. Or, you know, maybe it's not and it's just your delusion.

6/19/2012 6:52:50 AM

farpadokly

There's no doubt that gender IS partly a construct, but only partly. There is also no doubt that sometimes individuals are born who don't quite fit into either gender. And thirdly, there is no doubt that sexual attraction is a continuum with no fixed, rigid boundaries.
But, ultimately, the vast majority of people will probably identify with the gender dictated by their biology, and be attracted to the opposite gender. The drive in recent years to recognise differences in gender and sexual orientation is really not an attack on established norms so much as it is an attempt to lessen discrimination and bigotry directed at minorities. This in fact is in keeping with morality in that it is consistent with the Golden Rule, which is the fundamental moral principle.
Now let's look at your "morality": Homosexuality is wrong, gender roles are rigid, norms for men and women are rigid, and God is identified with "morality in marriage". This isn't a morality at all, just a set of rules which serves to maintain the power of the traditional patriarchal head of the household.

6/19/2012 7:01:03 AM

farpadokly

If Kinsey wanted to "undermine the concept of God", he could've done it without encouraging adultery. Instead, he simply took a look at people's actual sexual behaviour, and extrapolated his conclusions from it, not from their declared "norms".
The Judeo-Christian way of looking at sexuality is only one way, and not the default position.

6/19/2012 7:06:20 AM

Straight and Narrow

If the LGBT community really was trying to abolish gender, why would there be such a drive in favor of legalizing gay marriage?

Surely that wouldn't even need mentioning, if there was no such thing as gender?

6/19/2012 7:11:35 AM

D Laurier

So Mat, years ago you lied shamelessly to try to scare gullable bigots into thinking you were important... and nothing has changed since

6/19/2012 7:11:58 AM

SpukiKitty

Undermining gender undermines Deity?
"THAT'S NEWS TO US!"

[L to R: Goddess & God, Yin-Yang (Taoism), Ardhinari/Shakti & Shiva (Hinduism), Yab-Yum (Buddhism), Jesus & Magdalene-The Christpair (Christian/Gnostic), Yahweh & Asherah AKA "Bible-God" before Moses came along (Abrahamic/Judeo-Christo-Islamic)]

DON'T FORGET THIS GEM:
(GEN 1:27) "So God created man in HIS OWN IMAGE, in the IMAGE OF GOD created he him; MALE & FEMALE created he them. (emphasis mine)"

BOO-YAH, Matty-boy! PWNED!

6/19/2012 7:12:58 AM

J. James

Umm, no. That's stupid. For multiple reasons. Not the least of which being, no, gays don't want to "destroy" traditional marriage, and you don't speak for it, prick.

And gays need gender just as much as the next person, obviously.

6/19/2012 7:13:15 AM

Cy

Mat Staver cannot comprehend the difference between "gender" and "gender roles".

6/19/2012 7:34:53 AM

Frostythesnowman

And who organises this 'homosexual agenda'? Presumably this attack upon your god is co-ordinated in some way? Or does Satan communicate directly with gay people telepathically to promote his sinister plan?

Or the other option might be that you sir, are a complete idiot.

6/19/2012 7:47:30 AM

Stonespiral

Gender is a social construct, it changes a lot more than people think and has a lot of variation between even modern cultures. We don't really need a binary gender system anymore. Sex itself is not strictly binary because of intersexed people, why insist gender be a binary?

6/19/2012 7:55:33 AM

OhJohnNo

@Brendan Rizzo

"There is at least one non-sequitur in here. I trust the readers to find it."

Literally the entire thing?


6/19/2012 8:16:11 AM

Flah

"If you abolish the concept of gender you ultimately undermine morality"

There is a logical step missing somewhere in this statement. Take a guess what it is.

6/19/2012 8:24:29 AM

Ebon

I can't be bothered refuting this dreck right now. Just slam your head into something hard, that'll do the trick.

6/19/2012 8:37:48 AM

Ripper

Who the shit is Kingsley Zissou

6/19/2012 8:42:24 AM
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