Mat Staver #fundie

Mat Staver #fundie rightwingwatch.org

Years ago I said what the ultimate goal of this homosexual agenda was not this sexual orientation where you are wired to a particular way but ultimately the abolition of gender. It’s hard for us to even comprehend that, how can you abolish the concept or the construct of gender, male and female, it’s so objective, it’s so obvious, how can you do that? But that’s exactly what they want to do: anything that you see is just fictitious; it’s only what’s in your mind. If you abolish the concept of gender you ultimately undermine morality, you ultimately have no morality and norms for men and women or sexual behavior. As Alfred Kinsey ultimately wanted to do, he wanted to undermine morality in marriage. Why? So he could undermine the very concept of God himself.

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old comment by Horsefeathers

"Years ago I said what the ultimate goal of this homosexual agenda was not this sexual orientation where you are wired to a particular way but ultimately the abolition of gender."

Say what now?

"It’s hard for us to even comprehend that, how can you abolish the concept or the construct of gender, male and female, it’s so objective, it’s so obvious, how can you do that?"

Why would you do that would be a better question to start with.

"But that’s exactly what they want to do: anything that you see is just fictitious; it’s only what’s in your mind."

The nice men in white coats tell you that often, don't they?

"If you abolish the concept of gender you ultimately undermine morality, you ultimately have no morality and norms for men and women or sexual behavior."

I fail to see how morality is tied to gender.

"As Alfred Kinsey ultimately wanted to do, he wanted to undermine morality in marriage. Why? So he could undermine the very concept of God himself."

Oh, obviously. Or, you know, maybe it's not and it's just your delusion.

old comment by farpadokly

There's no doubt that gender IS partly a construct, but only partly. There is also no doubt that sometimes individuals are born who don't quite fit into either gender. And thirdly, there is no doubt that sexual attraction is a continuum with no fixed, rigid boundaries.
But, ultimately, the vast majority of people will probably identify with the gender dictated by their biology, and be attracted to the opposite gender. The drive in recent years to recognise differences in gender and sexual orientation is really not an attack on established norms so much as it is an attempt to lessen discrimination and bigotry directed at minorities. This in fact is in keeping with morality in that it is consistent with the Golden Rule, which is the fundamental moral principle.
Now let's look at your "morality": Homosexuality is wrong, gender roles are rigid, norms for men and women are rigid, and God is identified with "morality in marriage". This isn't a morality at all, just a set of rules which serves to maintain the power of the traditional patriarchal head of the household.

old comment by Anon

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Mat Staver cannot comprehend the difference between "gender" and "gender roles". <<

Apparently not.

And is also apparently unaware of the difference between genotype, phenotype, gender identity, sexual orientation, and gender roles.

It happens that about 99.5% of the population have the XX and XY genotypes; 99-99.8% of the population have conventional female and male phenotypes (depending on the bounds of 'conventional'); and ~99% of people have gender identities that match their phenotypes. So female and male are still useful concepts, but Staver is either unaware of or deliberately ignoring all of the complexity in the biological definition of gender as well as the arbitrary social definition of gender roles.

old comment by Swede

Why do you need two specific genders to have morality and norms? You can have sexual behavior with only two men, or two women, or seven men and five women, or... well, you get the picture. Sexual behavior is just to have sex, and what's good for one person is unpleasant for another, regardless of gender and sex.

You do know that gender is the social structure of being male or female (or other), right? It's not the body parts but the mind. Sex is the body parts, gender the personality. The SEX is obvious, yes, on most people, at least when they are naked.

Why is it so important to be either male or female? I treat my friends fairly similar, I have male friends who like cooking and plants, and female friends who like cars and computer games. I know women who don't want to become parents and men who are very nurturing, one who's a single parent.

Mat Staver #fundie rightwingwatch.org

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